he had a few games but overall he wasnt a top tier duelist , honestly think m3c could have made internationals in 2022 if they trusted and played with purp0 duelist instead of jady coming in and taking flex with sheydos and chronicle role swapping to duelist

he only played duelist when d3ffo was out
sheydos and jady were double flex

his chamber was insane
but his pure duelist wasnt good enough tbh

sen and heretics can if they win champs
every champs has had a major change
champs 2021 - fracture
champs 2022 - pearl
champs 2023 - deadlock and minor nerfs to viper habor (this is prolly why fnc got 4th cuz meta didnt change alot)
champs 2024 - abyss and haven
riot really gotta stop changing the game so much right before champs

not really 2nd masters usually the most competitive and all teams peaking
champs the teams who usually get grouped just show better performances compared to teams who get grouped at masters

the best team from each year usually dont win champs
gambit 2021
optic 2022
fnc 2023

both optic masters was qualfy to playoffs as 2nd seed and play na 1st seed and drx to get top 3

fnc 2 trophies and optic lost so many maps and matches that year
2023 fnc clear them

1st 1st 4th vs 1st , couldnt qualify , 1st

still fnc will clear based on placements

but depends on how much u value madrid / lock in to tokyo / champs

2023 FNC lost 13 MAPS IN TOTAL , won 2 trophies and got top 4 at champs

geng lost 10 SERIES this year and won 1 trophy and bombed out of champs

it was never close

now that geng have lost, hopefully people will look at the numbers and stats and actually appreciate fnatic's 2023 run

NO TEAM HAS COME CLOSE TO THEIR RUN

dude what im comparing the years and runs of the teams obviously current geng/heretics and whatever other top teams are going to be better than top teams from the previous year?

maybe fnc were that much better than their opponents last year?
and FNC LITERALLY WON 2/3 EVENTS last year beating loud / prx / eg / nrg / drx??

dont think u understand my post
im talking about the entire team and how good their runs are for the year

i dont understand

like these guys's arguement is lockin was a bad event (they can just look at the rest of the year still) and but for geng somehow a 8 team masters isnt?

this is a comparsion to geng's year
they lost to loud twice and still ended top 4 at that event
fnc lost 13 maps in total while winning 2 trophies and a 4th at champs

geng have only won 1 trophy and have dropped 8 games and 37 maps so far

just look at the stats and how are u even trying to debate

they almost 2-0d every team they played
they only lost 13 maps that year and 6 of them were to loud

just funny how u guys dont look at ACTUAL stats and just say shit when geng have lost games to rrq and ts and losing maps to bleed and ge

like make it make sense

yea thats cuz of kickoff and geng have lost more series?

are u guys even reading the post fully
they lost 13 maps in total and were flawless the entire year , they literally lost 6/13 maps to loud

geng have literally lost series to rrq and ts but u guys just erase that from ur memory

if u think lock in is a bad event then kickoff is equally bad

and again look at the rest of the year then if u dont take lock in's performance into consideration
ur saying they shad the bed when they lost to loud twice but still ended top 4

just no?
fnc still has 2 trophies and a 4th at champs (THEY LOST 13 MAPS TOTALLY that year)

geng have lost already lost madrid and so many maps and series
u just cant argue unless they win champs

saw so many people saying if geng make finals their year will be better than fnc's 2023
unless geng win champs there is literally no debate about the 2 teams years

fnc lost 8 maps from kickoff - emea league - tokyo (only 3 maps internationally)
fnc almost had a flawless split losing 1 map in regular season (played with sub kamyk)
and fnc ended the year with losing 13 maps in total

whereas geng has lost 7 GAMES (lost 29 maps) from kickoff -madrid - split 1 - shanghai (+8 more maps so far including split 2 and champs)

we also saw in 2022 champs

fnc can be losing a game 0-12 and she will still somehow find a way to paint the opponents as the underdogs / getting insane timing and cast as if fnc are about to comeback

bro d4vai didnt use his res for like 7 rounds straight actually have no idea how fut threw this hard

she is easily one of the best casters when she casts non fnc games

have no idea why d4vai playing alone late slow walking when he had res

him and mindfreak should have swapped spots during a retake when d4vai has res

just micro decisions making them look so bad

not a fnc flair talking about caster bias

their casting aint bad but when u have a crazy good elim match u gotta get the better casters

u guys are lying if u think this wouldnt be 10x better if brenshow casted

huh
get the best casters for big games is a wrong thing to say now?

pls get good casters for big name teams / big games

why the fuck do we have a banger elim match casted by DOUG AND BABYBAY , give them like kru vs blg or vit talon

its been known no? everyone just waiting for him to have a single good lan performance (atleast close to his regional impact) to crown him as the best duelist of all time

what games did u get wrong in the other brackets?

FUT 2-0

no shanghai debuff if they just shoot heads

ig u love watching people spam odins and staring at viper util for 30 secs

huh
my flair's best map is ascent lol

i actually cant believe they took out split like bro thats the most hype map and deciders on that map always goes ot

so boring to watch nowadays
everyone runs the same comps ,same strats and odin spamming on defense

please rework these maps or rotate them for fracture/pearl/split

dont they have points from winning kickoff?
and overall they got a good match record and easy upcoming matches dw

but riot should be ashamed for making a format where a team getting top 2 at both internationals have a chance at not making champs

what is this cope
they losing with 2 map vetos and just lost heretics perma ban
boo called an amazing game , respect heretics

who cares about who is better regionally if they cant win a trophy

how to beat choking allegations
u comeback

this ur final chance

so u think qualifying to 3/3 to do bad in 2/3 is more consistent than making finals in 2/3?

cant argue with u anymore , just google up consistency

"lower lows" when gambit still making 2 events final

but not sen losing their dominance over na by getting outplaced by envy and 100t and getting grouped by latam at champs

like how can even argue by saying "consistency" when gambit made 2 FINALS when SEN GOT GROUPED and dead last in the other 2

what are u saying?? i said giving more context and just said they lost to #2 iceland in a single elim game

and are u seriously trying to say sen were better in 2021 than gambit who won a event and made champs final?

top 3 for fpx??
sure they had close games against geng and heretics but they still almost lost to fut
and their playstyle just gets anti'd harder as more time goes on cuz their comps
they are prolly top 8 but putting them 3rd is just crazy

also in what world are lev above fnc? off eyetest alone we know this isnt true xDD
fnc almost beat geng and still won the emea league but that one game against fut is the only thing u take into account

LMFAO sen?
u legit said there placements in what world is that more consistent than 1st and 2nd?
also more context to DNQ , emea was single elim and gambit lost to FNC (who got 2nd at iceland)

acend and gambit are the only 2 teams who played consistent that year

i mean yea sure acend and gambit for 2021

every other team then were inconsistent 2021

but ur 2023 is so random

nrg and drx for 2023?
2023 top 4 is the most clear out of every other year and there was a gap between top 4 and others

and 2021 - only gambit every other team were so inconsistent

just get on an hour after the time it says on vlr

all the people making those posts haven't watched emea , no point in explaining

they also had a massive map veto advantage against sen

Grand finals are all about who shows up on the day

so ur telling me heretics choking to g2 was all part of neilzinho masterclass?
average heretics W