Its not the best they could have done, but I think its still decent. I also think them getting proper Chamber/Jett player over ceNder is good, because he is still pretty good main sentinel player. He can play Cypher, Viper and Killjoy on good level. And even though I rate Monsteerr pretty highly I don't think that ceNder is much worse. And in my opinion Molsi is on same level if not better than guys like hoody and zeek especially. He is also really flexible. And BONECOLD will stay because he is the IGL and Vitality clearly believe in him and ceNder by keeping them. And when it comes to last player it likely depends on what BONECOLD will be playing is he going to be the initiator player or controller, because he has played both.

Yes you can apply it to any team, but for me it especially applies to this roster. I think they have potential to do good, especially on expectations to actual results scale. Because right now many seem to think that this roster will suck ass.

but maybe im just coping as OGLU believer

I mean the think with H1ber in my opinion is that his peaks are pretty high, but he seems to be so inconsistent. He has games where he carries Vitality and then next he is doing nothing. While ALIVE is usually always the guy who performs on Excel/Finest etc the best.

but true that 5th player defines a lot and this isn't like crazy upgrade from last roster. But again I do believe that they can do decent under right coaching staff and if the players have good chemistry. And on top of that I don't think there is many better option to choose from. Like sure if they got like 7ssk7 I would be more confident, but I think you have to look tier 2 and pick players from there. We look too much into proven tier 1 talent, but forget that there might be hidden gems in tier 2 that just need polishing and we can't recycle same players over and over again.

IMO it is. Molsi is easily better than H1ber or Natank, and I think ALIVE is more consistent performer than H1ber. And out of those players ALIVE is the only one who has played Chamber and OP, outside of like Twisten and maybe Trexx. And Molsi is really comparable to all of the players you mentioned.

I get your point, but I think they have potential. Like look at OGLU for example. They weren't top team in EMEA by any means, but still managed to do decent even when their individual players were pretty meh on paper outside of Molsi. Also Salah will be the coach and I'm Salah believer. Guys like ceNder and ALIVE has for long been so close of getting to tier 1 and now its their time finally. And even if we look at this year we had guys like Alfajer who was tier 2 sentinel player who almost instantly managed to roll people in tier 1. For example them possibly going for ALIVE over players like Twisten (or even cNed who knows was it for cNed to make the decision or for the team COPIUM) could be good sign. Maybe Twisten and cNed just got better offers and saw more potential on other team, but who knows maybe they think he could suit the team better. And as I said you have to look into tier 2 to pump up some unproven talent. ALIVE has been pretty top tier 2 player for long time, same with ceNder on his role.

Traditional role wise they only need controller or initiator player depending on what BONECOLD will be playing. And apparently on the leaked scrim/trial pictures this pieton guy was playing initiators and controllers. So my bet would be on either Destrian or Boo.
Like what are the coincidences? Molsi(OGLU) and Salah(OGLU HC) both linked to Vitality and then you have a guy with this name playing. The name itself could be linked on Destrian, but its also possible that his teammate just uses it as alt name instead because in the end of the day as core they have been together for long and are probably friends.

Interestingly pieton means pedestrian in French and who is Molsi's teammate? (pe)Destrian. So could me linked to him or one of OGLUs players like Boo.

This is the dark horse team. Molsi is really good and still underrated af. And I haven't seen much of ALIVE lately, but for what I remember he was for long time being one of the most promising Jett now Chamber players in tier 2. I think with right synergy and 5th player this team could do well and perform better than expected. Also people are talking about them going from caned to this, but eventually teams have to look into tier 2 and imo ALIVE is good option. If they added someone like Boo to help with calls this team could be good.

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For some reason I feel this way as well, but it might be more of G2 thing. I'm not master of LoL but feels like their bot line was getting diffed hard and Caps was carrying so hard but started playing so bad midway. While I feel like RGE and FNC won't have this problem because overall their bot lines are better and Larsson and Humanoid feel more consistent than Caps. Also feels bit that G2 were trolling draft back in MSI. But yeah them flopping is possible.

why I feel like EU will do well first games, but then completely fall when it matters the most like G2 in MSI. They were up like 6-0 or something and then lost to everyone lol

Upset Highest KD pickers EZ (don't know who has highest right now, but ez)

because i ate them

Only 4th seed LCK, but tbh Rogue looked really good so I think they could do decent even against higher seed LCK and LPL. Most important that they seemed to perform like they did back in LEC and good especially from guys like Comp who doesn't have international experience.

This, but he is also the only ex-Gambit member who got benched so...

Soulcas is good and underrated, but holy would Liquid be stacked af with Leo.

I don't know because I drink tap water, but I have bought this Finnish brand "Spring Aqua" if I have bought bottled basic water. But I haven't tried many and tbh there really isn't many brands here I'm pretty sure because tap water is clean. Based on online it has won some awards so I guess its good compared to other brands.

Its pretty clear that Chronicle is joining Fnatic. He duos with Derke that doesn't have to mean anything, but he also played DM with Derke, Alfa and Boaster. On top of that there hasn't been any other rumors of him trialing with other teams so feels like its pretty clear at this point. Not sure about Leo tho.

Depends on their last 2, but I wouldn't call them dark horse team yet. Koldamenta, Sheydos and starxo(maybe not as much, but I think he is bit underrated) core is pretty damn good and I think depending on the last 2 they will have decent chances beating anyone in EMEA. Its easy to look at teams like FPX, Fnatic and TL but in reality the skill gap isn't that high and highly depends on synergy, coaches etc. And guy like Koldamenta has pretty good record on building teams and doing well (OG Acend, G2 (kinda) and Guild).

VIT: BONECOLD, ceNder
and most likely Molsi because apparently his alt account has been on multiple VIT scrims/trials even when the last 2 accounts have been switched. Not 100% sure tho.

True. I'm not fan of imports unless its like good player to region that has a lot of space. But NA already having 3 imports for their 5 franchise teams isn't the best IMO. But that was going to happen with Americas. If there's good LATAM/BR talent NA teams will happily take them in.

True and hopefully they will make good Valorant roster as well.
BONECOLD, Cender and Molsi look almost 100% and I'm pretty sure they trialed ALIVE as well and he is good tier 2 OP player.

Fnatic they will finally win first international tournament and then for rest of times everyone will be saying how it wasn't proper international event because it was full of new teams and only year 1 thing. Kind of like their first LoL Worlds victory.

I don't know, but as I said Jamppi has been playing a lot of Raze on streams. And even nAts asked Jamppi "tell me some Raze tech" when nAts was playing Raze on Ascent. So based on those it seems like Jamppi is grinding Raze and he has never been Raze player before and that likely means Liquid is thinking of playing him on that role.

No. Sayf is joining Liquid, but Jamppi isn't going anywhere.

Yeah its been obvious for quite long time. Also like around week ago both nAts and Jamppi matched randomly and their synergy seemed to be really good and they were constantly joking/talking and doing plays together. Also role wise Jamppi has been playing bunch of Raze and Jett, so maybe he is going to switch away from Chamber and Sayf will take that role.

Seems like Bonecold and Cender will be staying on Vitality based on their scrims/trials. They have been on all of them, and Molsi's alt has been there for multiple games as well. While final 2 has changed bit more.

and yeah true about Heretics as well. If they have money I think getting Mixwell and maybe Keznit would be understandable.

Ehh don't get me wrong I think he is good obviously. But when watching him play he looks a lot like tier 2 player in many ways. Just his decision making and overall gameplay just doesn't look as good as tier 1 talent. I don't know how to explain it but there's definitely difference between tier 1 players and tier 2 when watching them. Could just be that he doesn't have good enough team supporting him or making good calls. And on top of that I feel like he hasn't shown much flexibility. He plays Jett and Neon and that's it. Like everytime I see OP player playing Reyna on some maps it makes me doubt their flexibility. Again could just be just team diff. He could do well on tier 1 team under good coaching, but he isn't top talent in my books yet. Like I rate all the players that I mentioned higher than him right now.

Oh yeah now looking at that list definitely. Some really good players still not signed. I guess I got carried away by lack of OP players. Especially in my head Boo, Molsi(scrimming with VIT), Monster, Twisten, Cloud, nukkye, hoody deserve a spot. Zeek has shown he is good, but maybe bit inconsistent this year and I don't know how stable he is. Mistic, Avova and L1NK are all kind of same for me where they have shown good stuff but bit inconsistent and have for some time been somewhat weak links on their teams. They could fill in if rest of the team is good tho. And Jady is good, but I don't know is he willing to relocate because I'm pretty sure that was problem when he was on NaVi as well. And Meddo should play in tier 2 IMO. I think his peak is really high, but he always performs like bot until playoffs where he pops off. Also baddyG could be good for pure controller.

Something like Fit1nho(duelist/OP), hoody(flex), Boo(controller/IGL), Monsterr(sentinel), Cloud(initiator/entry flex) could be really good under right coaching staff.

Yeah that's true. ssk, QutionerX(doesn't talk English I guess) and Twisten are maybe the ones that comes after those. Jugi could also be up there, but I don't think he is proven enough yet. FPX still trialing him to replace Ardiis could be good sign tho. Means that he has likely shown potential in scrims. Also Trexx could turn into OP player and it would be good IMO.

Most likely if the rumors/leaks are true for rest of the team. There really isn't that many proven talents out there anymore. But in a way its good I think. They are almost forced to focus more on signing tier 2 talent, so then new players get experience and get to show what they got. Seeing guy like Fit1nho fighting against the best of EMEA will be nice. In my opinion EMEA already has multiple good teams (on paper) so having some that may work more as talent developing teams will be good.

Yeah Trexx could also change to Chamber/Jett role I think he would do well.

Yeah Cender is good OP and Chamber player, but he is also their sentinel main so if meta switches back to proper sentinel + Jett then Cender couldn't really play OP. Also SSK would have been good pickup but seems like he is going to Istanbul Wildcats for some reason. Feels wasted tbh. He finally seemed to find his consistency and then he doesn't get a shot in tier 1...

Kiles won't make it to franchising league

I mean yeah but rating Leo highly is understandable. I for example rate Leo as the best initiator in EMEA right now (even over Shao) and then you add his flexibility, mechanics and game sense on top of that. He would be good pickup for any team and is role player.

Actually Qutioner would be such nice pick if he could communicate in English (idk). But I also doubt BBL would allow him to leave and in a way I think it might be better if he stayed in BBL because without him BBL would likely suck.

KOI W

Who is your favorite Guild player btw? I would imagine Sayf or Leo due to them being Swedish.

Thats really nice! Wonder who the rest 2 will be. Someone like Monsteerr from Acend could be nice for proper sentinel role since he seems to be having good synergy with Starxo already. And then they would need someone to take that OP role(likely). There really isn't that many proven OP players available anymore so I wonder who they would sign. Even Vitality is lacking one right now. Twisten is one of the better options but Vitality was interested of him as well. But all in all super excited, and happy that Sheydos found a team! Next year is going to be fucking crazy

Yes, but I don't know because I know most of countries and their locations so someone not knowing some makes them kinda dumb in my eyes(when it comes to geographics). Easy flex.

yeah its big and nice for EU esport as whole tbh especially knowing whats happening with G2 lol

I just don't know does Rogue have anything to do with KOI Valorant tho. Because didn't both of them try to get into EMEA league separately? Its possible they merged with them even for Valorant tho. I don't understand Spanish so don't know what they said in the Ibai stream. But yeah true that Rogue usually has good rosters even tho in LoL they sold their 2 best players and got some less proven talent to replace. It ended up going well, but it made me question their decisions a little bit. Especially when both of them were pretty much forced to import to NA because Rogue asked so much money if I'm not wrong.

ehh FUT literally won the VRL 2022. They won EMEA tier 2. Its true that its just 1 scrim, but tier 1 team scrim against tier 2 teams all the time and FUT is good tier 2 team. And what the rumors say is that teams like OpTic got rolled by FUT on scrims. Turkish teams seem to be pretty good on scrims.

Let's go! Koldamenta and Barbarr are really good starting pieces for competitive roster! I was bit scared guys like Koldamenta would be wasted on team that didn't want to win hard enough like the rumors/speculation of Mixwell and Magnum. Still hoping they pick up good rest 4 player, but its a good start and maybe we will actually get competitive roster from KOI

Fnatic was good as well. They made it to finals 2018, playoffs in 2019 and even in 2020 they almost beat TES(?) in playoffs but got reverse swept. So it wasn't only G2. Fnatic were competitive as well even if they weren't like top 4.

its actually crazy how they went from org that had really competitive teams in multiple games to org that fails at pretty much every game. Think about their 2019 LoL roster, R6S roster, CSGO roster(decent I guess), early EMEA Valorant dominance to being dogshit at every game lul

No, but I can see it having some problems and weaknesses.

ok maybe them but even still I think FPX even with cNed is more stacked

NiKo is the problem

It kind of depends. Its still kinda blurry like all dreams and the thing with lucid dreams is that you know its dream. And at least for me in lucid dreams I usually start fading out from it and everything starts getting blurry and then I have to get back into it by thinking something else. But even still lucid dreams are really nice and feel kind of realistic in a way. Let's just say you should take advantage of these dreams if you know what I mean.

and in the end of the day, its a dream. What you get from it is what you remember when you wake up you know. That's why its hard to say how realistic it is in the moment. Hard to explain if you haven't experienced one. Its nothing crazy crazy but still fine.