I think that's just a case of "better" vs "greater". Leo was certainly the better player, but Crashies is arguably greater as he has made many more finals and has better longevity.

He’s just gonna keep collecting paychecks until he can’t anymore

He’s right

It’s hard to say though. On one hand, you have a good point of him always playing with really great players. On the other hand, it’s possible that Chronicle being an excellent player has allowed his teammates to look even better than they already were

If its DINO era then you have to detract from nAts too for the same reason. Also, in that tournament Chronicle finished tied for 3rd in rating and had a monstrous performance in the grand finals

I’d have to look more through his other tournaments but his first title in Masters Berlin he was the best player in the tournament.

cn probably is BLG > everyone else

Leo too high, I don’t see any argument to put him above Alfajer. Alfajer has been arguably FNCs best player in several tournaments, came up huge in lock-in finals, and has been consistently great for way longer. Same could be said for Sacy and Tenz

Finally someone else understands

S1mon and Sylvan didn’t get sacked just for performance….

Giratina

whoops my bad

Even if the comp is fine I still wouldn’t want Rarga off of Yoru. Also, don’t ever let NoMan play deadlock again

Deadlock is a senti

He’s still probably the best agent in the game, if not top 3

IMO it’s only worth it if the import is willing to put in the time and effort to become proficient in the language that the rest of the team speaks. I’m not saying that they have to be fluent or anything, but it takes some time to become comfortable enough to process the new language quickly

Bro if you think today’s competition is way weaker then you must be smoking something. Even just looking at EMEA, if you transported current day TH, FNC, and TL back in time to 2021 and had them play at champs 2021 they’d probably go undefeated. Even teams like BBL and NAVI would be immediate title contenders.

Strategy, game theory, util coordination, etc has gotten way better over time, even for weaker teams today.

Disagree on the order but agree with the conclusion 👍

Sorry but on what planet are Leo and Yay that high? Are you doing a BEST list or GREATEST list? Because in terms of greatness, Leo and Yay had much less impressive careers than guys like F0rsaken, KangKang, etc. really short success

He doesn’t have the career accomplishments and consistency of other players though. Even on the weaker TL rosters nAts was a decent player, not an elite player.

Ultimately, top 10 lists start and stop with accomplishments and individual statistics, and there are at least 10 players better than him in those areas.

I think an immediate fix for EDG is having Smoggy learn to play Yoru. If he does, EDG can run double duelist and keep Jieni7 on smokes, Nobody on initiator, and Chichoo on sentinel

People keep saying stuff like this and it’s ignoring that the meta has shifted away from breach, which was S1mon’s best agent. I don’t think he’d be the fix this team needs

No. He definitely had a meaningful impact on the game but he hasn’t won a trophy since 2021, when Valorant had way weaker competition.

Why tf is Rarga off of Yoru? Put him on Yoru instead of Sage and this comp is so much better

Life lost spot to Smoggy, not even KK

lmao where did you find this

The Fastest of Fallers

Can someone explain to me why TL fans talk so much crap about Americas and other teams when they haven’t accomplished anything? Congrats, you beat FNC, TL deserves a lot of credit for that.

However, TL fans talk about their team like they’re coming off of back to back Masters wins. I think TL are a good team and have a chance to make noise at champs, but yall haven’t won anything yet so calm down.

It wouldn’t be very surprising

XLG or RRQ

There's no universe where they beat both 100T and NRG

If TL wins stage 2 I'll change my flair to TL until after champs. If they win champs I'll keep it permanently

They were at least in playoffs for Toronto, and they also won stage 1. TL can say neither

EDG has champs win, I am pretty content with that.

TL hasn't even been far enough to choke

edit: my bad, forgot about them getting reverse swept in kickoff finals

NAVI, only because I really enjoy watching Ruxic play

I'd take rrq over TL any day

This team ain’t worth the energy needed to hate them

You’re cooking an Amer 4th seed at champs

None, don’t waste money on that garbage

I don’t think anyone hates him, just people like you overrate him. He’s a good player, nothing more

Bro who cares…

Wdym 2 majors? What tournaments?

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t s0m have 0 masters or champs trophies? He’s just a good player, nothing more than that

This list has to be a troll

rrq at least been building some consistency now

I just don’t get it. I don’t think swapping Sayf in for either of them makes this team better. The issue is not individual skill, it’s bad game plans, shaky IGLing, and a lack of chemistry between the players. Swapping Sayf in won’t fix any of that

What is with the Marved obsession that some vlr users have

This isn’t a question though. I don’t think the gap between Leo and Riens is that big but Leo was definitively the better player.

I have a hard time not putting Something in the APAC team, he’s been arguably the best pacific player in stage 2

If we’re talking today, then obviously it would be Riens. But Leo’s peak was higher. Idk how that’s even arguable