The new sovereign phantom is clean

They have loads of people working with them on the coaching staff and I think individually they'll be able to play up to NAVI's standard, especially Sayf, Kicks and Trexx. Also based off of some of their prev. games they have demonstrated some insane protocols for a new team.

Vitality 2-1 Natus Vincere
FNATIC 2-0 Team Heretics

Who will be calling? Has to be Zellsis right? or will it be a joint effort?

JAWN YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS!!!

Madrid quality of play was dreadful outside of SEN, GEN.G and the occasional PRX match. LOUD and EDG were in shambles. TH, KC and FPX had their highlight moments but were ultimately too inexperienced to compete with the small pool of top teams at the event and Paper Rex was inconsistent.

I just think that this team has a real fire power issue in my opinion. Mistic and Enzo won't ever have crazy individual highlights and Keiko is a great player individually, he's just not consistent yet. As for Jamppi and nAts, again they're great individuals and occasionally they will have their highlight moments, but I don't think they'll do much on their respective roles, nothing game changing.

Series is over GGWP!

name the examples coz idk any

Somebody get this guy on a better team I beg

They literally JUST dropped a new patch but what is even in the patch?

you're kidding

my apologies. russ is prodigy and will drop 30 every map

DFM and GE are literally two of the worst two teams in Pacific, you're arguing over 1 position. I can assure you it does not matter that much and I can guarantee your reasoning for GE would be bullshit.

BASED SIR JOHNNY TOTALLY ISN'T BRITISH

You are clearly biased as fuck gtfo of this thread

I will NEVER have faith in Russ or Lightning fast LMFAO im sorry

BBL still exists

drop redgar

For sure, If there were tiers to this ranking they'd all be part of the same tier.

I can see an argument for that being the case, but in a matchup I'd probably have DFM winning just purely based off of individuals.

This is DFM's season dude, and by that I mean they finally won't be the worst team in Pacific lmfao!!!

That's a pretty fair ranking to be honest, I can see these 3 teams trading wins off of each other.

You'd put T1 number one?

Did a ranking of AME yesterday
https://www.vlr.gg/324571/ranking-ame-vct-teams

Pacific Ranking

1. Gen.G
2. Paper Rex
3. T1
4. DRX
5. RRQ
6. Team Secret
7. ZETA Division
8. Talon eSports
9. Bleed eSports
10. Detonation FocusMe
11. Global eSports

I like BangNA
I like Boostio
I like Eeiu
I like Cryo
I tolerate Asuna
I like Mike

Hence, I like 100 Thieves

He essentially just implied that he'd be playing with G2 versus EG in their matchup

"See you in game @DerrekOW"

You are right in the fact that Sadhaak is one of the best in game leaders, and in the fact that Less might be one of the greatest players to grace this game. But I feel like you're underestimating NRG a little bit. I feel that in terms of individuals LOUD are outmatched and I feel like regardless of his status in the game as a leader, it'll be pretty hard for Sadhaak to outcall an NRG with the in game knowledge and experience combined within the squad, especially with the prep time they've had in comparison to LOUD.

Cooked up? They've barely played together in between Madrid and Regular season right?

Oh right. Maybe I'd put them slightly higher- but again, I don't really believe in Havoc or Kon4n as individuals or the coaching staff.

I think that they have some great individuals like Mwzera and Nzr(Maybe Khalil but I feel like we haven't had a great performance from him in a while) but I just do not believe in their leadership. I don't really rate kon4n as an IGL, nor do I really believe in their coaching staff. Their Breeze versus NRG, which they picked- kinda solidified that doubt for me.

Team Liquid

I'm never trusting Vanity or Immi again

I'm so confused rn

DUDE GIVE THEM A PLACEMENT!!!

Yeah I think that's a pretty reasonable way of thinking

Where would you put Cloud9?

Honestly pretty fair list. How come you're higher on LOUD? Honestly I was considering putting them in fourth purely because of their terrible comp direction and due to the fact that they aren't able to currently scrim.

I also didn't really like their performance at Madrid.

NRG third and sixth? I assume you mean EG 6th

AMERICAS

1. Sentinels (Madrid Winners)
2. NRG
3. LOUD
4. 100 Thieves
5. Leviathan
6. Evil Geniuses
7. MIBR
8. G2
9. Furia
10. KRU
11. Cloud9

Less says otherwise

the community ruined vlr

babysasuke LOL

More importantly BORN in the british isles. Dude worked in Tesco.

Born AND raised in the British Isles :D That's where they stem from, that's literally where Josh lives. That's all I care about.

I can't think of any cases of this in recent memory other than FNATIC last year which makes sense? They were the team to beat that year.

They were fundamentally the greatest team on paper, which they proved at LOCK//IN Sao Paulo and at Masters Tokyo. They looked like the greatest team we had ever seen in Valorant at the time.

Derke has more international VCT trophies than Pacific do. Stay mad.

LMFAO

True but the only players remaining from then are Boaster, Derke and TenZ right?

At least from LOCK//IN 8/10 players are still playing for the two teams.

Also forgot to mention Mob Psycho! that show is goated