dgzin third chance in franchise?
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| Registered: | December 20, 2024 |
| Last post: | November 23, 2025 at 10:07 PM |
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Joblife Esports has the same amount of champions winners on the team as AQ
mibr with:
xenom
cortezia
artzin
were already top 3 in Americas for 2 /3 of the season, fell off in Stage 2, but at Champions they were the 2nd best team of Americas (could've been 1st if cortezia didnt go up tower in Abyss for no reason after aspas got 2)
now they have:
zekken
tex
Mazino
a 2/3 upgrade and tex is underrated playing with aspas. This new team has a very low chance of failure, team quemistry-wise they are basically aspas discord group
Aspas is AFK in Brasil he'll only comeback to touch the game of Valorant 10 minutes before MIBR's first game in VCT Americas
Aspas
Baspas
Caspas
Daspas
Espas
Faspas
Gaspas
Haspas
Ispas
Jaspas
Kaspas
Laspas
Maspas
Naspas
Ospas
Paspas
Raspas
Saspas
Taspas
Uspas
Vaspas
Waspas
Xaspas
Yspas
Zaspas
MEMEA and entertainment are like water and oil
I saw him yesterday with Zekken in the city of São Paulo
bros first post is raging for b0tnicle flexing a group stage fluke 😭🙏
Unfortunately this doesnt change the fact that:
tuyz 1v3 Alfajer, Chronicle, Derke Champions 2023 Los Angeles Lower Semifinals Third Map Haven Round 18 ruining FNC's dreams of becoming actual World Champions Chronicle -22
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
Now Riot only needs to put both Icebox and Abyss in the rotation the entire year and we're good for the Golden Road
W upgrade
Chronicle is hands-down the most overrated player in Valorant history—crowned GOAT by MEMEA fanboys who mistake being in the right place at the right time for greatness. For all his "trophy count and flexibility", he's left zero dent on the game's culture—no viral clips that live rent-free in every player's head, no memes that flood Reddit, no "Chronicle meta" that forced Riot to patch agents around him. True icons like TenZ or yay rewired how millions aim; Chronicle? Just a quiet stats-padding shadow in Fnatic black-and-orange.
He’s a textbook system baby who only shines when surrounded by super-teams, never once the undisputed best player in the world and never even the MVP of his own squad. He’s never once been the consensus best player in the world—not in 2021 when nAts lurked circles around him, not in 2023 when Leo, Alfajer and Derke stole every MVP vote, and sure as hell not now while Aspas breaks World Records all the time.
Top-20 on a good day, top-50 on most. Worst of all: zero rings at Champions, the one trophy that actually matters. Runner-up in 2021 losing to Kiles and only more embarassing losses ever since. Until that gold badge hits his résumé, Chronicle remains the ultimate “almost” merchant— always in super-teams, glazed by MEMEA agenda, and forever fraud-checked by the big
Champions stage.
true...
2024:
Derke
Leo
Boaster
Alfajer
2025:
Kaajak
Crashies
Boaster
2026:
Boaster
Veqaj
Interesting situation
But how does this affect Saadhak’s legacy?
At least, Valorant as an FPS is easier to watch, LOL has the best opening ceremony and production ever and then when it starts the game its just ahh
T1 is always the favorite to win in the biggest stage
Djs are not tuff, mf acting like hes doing something but he just bring his pendrive and thats it. the rest of the performance was cool tho, especially the chinese woman at the end singing live apparently
Tex is VCT Americas Champion in his rookie year
Bang was shooting against Rarga and Cloud
Envy were shooting against raafa and gmd
Highlights against Envy are useless currently
Its not the same thing because Chess is the same game for a very long time so the players are more comparable given the contexts of their era and the information available, Valorant is a game that changes every 6 months or less, its not the same. Those 3 extra years of experience are experience in certain different metas.
In a completely new meta hypothetical 5v5 between both teams, they would have to adapt the same way with new stuff. The player or the team having more experience, more time playing the game, doesnt necessarily means victory because Ange1 would have 10 VCT trophies by now if more time = better
I cant think of a 2025 team that is better than:
aspas, Less, Sacy, saadhak, pANcada at their prime
And a lot of the players that are playing today were also playing back then too and couldnt win anything so in this situation we're not talking about players that are completely separated by the timeline like in other esports/sports
You forgot:
Michael Jackson, King of POP
Mufasa, King of the Pride Lands
Aspas, King of Valorant
Aragorn, King of the Reunited Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor
aspas decides to put zekken on smokes: goat duo, goat vision, he sees the potential, we all trust Sir Valorant
kaplan decides to put zekken on smokes: fraud coach, free zekken, give me Tenz and Sacy to "coach" or i retire, farms clips acting tilted with the team to keep his job, Potter's son
not really, the game changing all the time only makes it harder to compare teams from different times because the teams succeded at basically different versions of the game
Thats why Chess players nowadays are objectively better than the old ones, because the game knowledge is way more spread today than it was before, there's even AI's that can play near perfect unbeatable Chess and everyone can learn from that, and its the same game for 100 years
Valorant not being the same game over the years only makes it harder to compare teams from different times. If you put the same teams from 2022 to play against 2025 teams in a completely different meta that no one played, you cant say for sure that the teams from 2025 would win against 2022 just because they were good in 1 meta(2025).
The talent and adaptability is there regardless of "when"
You are trying to say that a 2025 team would beat a 2022 team >IN 2025<, well yeah probably, but thats not a fair way to compare teams from an >all time< perspective. Put the 2025 teams to play in 2022 meta, they probably lose against LOUD and Optic there.
What you can compare is their talent at the time of their success(subjective), their dominance, their stats, eye-test, individual skill, innovations, team play and that would require a deeper analysis that goes beyond just > the game is better now so the players are also better!<
TLDR - inversion of values in your argument
You can also make the argument that the current PRX, NRG or FNC would not be that good in 2022 meta or wouldnt win anything. 2022 also Is not even that much in the past since some players are still actively good today
The most fair thing would be to put both teams at their prime in a completely new meta, saying present > past doesnt convince me at all
Is nismo the only one that didnt go to franchise from that team?
this is true, Mazino ceiling is way higher, especially as a fragger
he dropped a world record against NRG while being sick and it wasnt enough
he almost broke it again the very next day against DRX and it still wasnt enough
I dont blame him for turning into LeAspas GM, the average guy already gets frustrated for dropping 30 and losing a random ranked game, imagine dropping world records with your best performance ever and still lose Champions with your worst placement ever (Top5)
So you actually believe that this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4wTERfoPfA
Would be slammed in 2040?
cortezia IS better than xenom and was the third best player of the team, but what if he was all that sentinel killer aimbot machine everyone is making him out to be in this game for example, to qualify for Masters Bangkok:
https://www.vlr.gg/428012/sentinels-vs-mibr-champions-tour-2025-americas-kickoff-lbf
Or maybe this game to reach a grand final in Americas:
https://www.vlr.gg/475908/mibr-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2025-americas-stage-1-lbf
He was also inconsistent just like most of the team
Aspas won Champions and MVP with 0.99 rating, arguably one of his worst >statistical< performances
aspas best performance was Champions 2025 with cortezia
no one cares about that apparently because he headshots and has a cool mustache
xenom had the highest APR at Champs and had way more map MVP's the entire year than cortezia, and im a xenom hater, i think he is mid
tex also had impact kills and highlight rounds, mfs are just forgetting cortezia's bad games and crypto throwing rounds because he is a good person that everyone (including me) likes
too late
But he is joining the team once Mazino and Tex underperform in Kickoff
He will join MIBR alongside Less in Stage 1
MIBR Stage 1:
aspas
zekken
Verno
JonahP
Less
then why is everyone acting like cortezia was prime Less?
#SomosMIBR
cortez had the same rating of xenom in all of 2025 and I dont see all this glazing about xenom
Aspas dog walked your team keep talking
thats like saying prime Pele and Prime Michael Jordan wouldnt be good in current football and current basketball, and that all the teams that are good in 2025, would be trash in 2035. Prime Messi 2012 would get slammed in 2040?
That argument is just not true as you are just ignoring the talent of the players, their >adaptability< and what made them so great
There is also the fact that today's level of competition only exists because those guys were incredibly good back then and served as a mirror for the next generations.
So if the talent was there, there is no proof that they would be bad nowadays outside of just "wow champs 2025 was so good, the players are so cracked! These teams clears all the teams from the past!!!" (recency bias)
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