1. cap
2. it's obvious, but imagine if it's reverse, you'd prolly get mad if someone said ur food is dirty n shit like that
3. no cap

i think some chinese guy stole his girl, notorious for hating china and likes to suck korea off for some reason, pretty sure he's that rb_stax_op guy but created a new acc

onic 2-1

onic plz

tenz owns open qualifiers

definitely, a coach can make all the difference for a team, just like mce and his contribution to the guard's success

W, def rooting for vlt now in vcc

fair enough, we haven't seen them play but I was just basing it off the roster. None of these players have really proven that they're solid in apac, maybe only vibhor and tesseract? (even he was kinda just meh in APH). shooter is really inconsistent, ghost was a jett main and could have trouble transitioning, and persia is a big question mark. just cause he came from a good region doesn't mean he could be on par with the performance of the top tier players there, if i'm not wrong he last played for VS' academy team and hasn't played a vct event in a year.

realistically, I don't see the orangutan roster beating any top apac teams, in which onur has a higher chance of going to LAN being in the 2nd best LATAM team, and hopefully he would prefer going to vct lan events rather than getting bigger paychecks. Saying SA top team placed 9-12th is pretty bad considering they got a pas into groups and got arguably the easiest group in which they only managed to beat OF. Not to mention the expectations of a region with big viewership and money. idk much abt onur but i'm sure language barriers could be an issue if he can't speak english well.

ah yes it's the white f0rsaken thread guy

he prolly got booted by solo

this has no relation to the original post

jinggg raze > nukkye raze

proud for sure

this guy knows whats up.

PRX 2-0 XETA DIVISION, 5v1 no chance

LFG!

zeek who? real polish is bntet and f0rsaken

Rb or Buzz needs to hop on raze on split

I swear this team looked like the team to win it all during group stage. Lowkey disappointed but very happy for zeta if they manage to come through.

prx 2-0 whoever it is

make it a 16 team format spread across regions

not hard to do that in a minor region KEKW

1v5 fucking crazy

W REYNA

LETS GOOOO

it's getting really close.....

indie company rito

they won 2 of the majors in 2016, won a handful of tourneys in 2017 but not the majors

drx strategic explosive-kinda playstyle counters zeta's calm playstyle if i had to guess, zeta was also not taking any initiative in that game whatsoever

"You literally said "contracting unproven players may not be the move"... my brain is throbbing or I'm super confused" yes this is exactly the point im making, contracting unproven players in NA is definitely not the move.

"Your logic in that quote above doesn't make any sense since they are getting sponsorship deals with some of the biggest names for their league team, despite it being all Korean." T1 is arguably the most famous league team ever, it's a no brainer they would get sponsors from big names, unless they replicate it in valorant they wouldn't have a big international fanbase in the game. Expanding to NA for more sponsors is definitely the move to attract way bigger sponsors especially from NA, the pool of diversity in geographic area is there.

"but my main point that T1 is still getting no viewers in" this is most definitely true, and mostly due to the incompetence of t1 management and their handling of valorant in general.

vikings almost beat gambit but got comeback'd hard. it's interesting for these clash of playstyles, emea struggling with BR whereas SEA handles them quite easily.

i see a world where prx takes this, f0rsaken and jinggg goes absolutely crazy, but drx is an insanely strategic and disciplined team. INHALES SECOND BATCH OF COPIUM PRX 2-1

hhhhh here we go again
Let me make my main point clear since you are just constantly ignoring it, T1 is expanding in NA to gain exposure internationally and attract international sponsors and fanbase. These potentials is what led to t1 and gen.g to do this, and i'm sure they're goal is to reach na vct, which i make my point VERY clear is that i don't agree in the players t1 are contracting, which results in t1 playing these 3rd party tourneys and failing to reach vct, with their money and mangement they could easily contract some pro that have proven themself to have potential.

"On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA." ???? yes this is literally the point i am trying to make. Yes, you can mention a lot of FAs and unsigned talent but if you see how incompetent t1 is in picking players, don't you question how they might just ignore those talents and pick up unproven players? Just basing it logically.

T1 is actively seeking fanbase and sponsorships from around the world, instead of only being limited in Korea. In a business point of view, this makes sense for sponsors in many different sectors to hop on t1 due to the diversity of where the teams of t1 hold influence in around the world.

"As you said yourself earlier I think, many viewers follow individual players which my explain the stagnant viewership rates there" I never said this? and if a literal vct masters event is happening during that time people would most definitely watch the masters event instead of the 3rd party event which doesn't mean shit, even regardless of your favorite player wardell or curry is playing in it.
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I have continually clowned t1 and it's management for their NA val team, absolutely questionable additions and even stranger activities, signing a jett player just for them to play smokes???? like what???

I have nothing against t1 going back to korea, i would instead support it as it grows the region and talent pool. It's t1 as a business choosing otherwise and building international fanbases, such as them having the SEA dota 2 team, or gen.g having an na cs team back in 2020.

BR needs some rep riot knows drx would just make it out of groups ez

he never wanted to move to valorant which explains a lot, he even said this: ImAPet: "I was ready to sign for a VALORANT team, but on the same day I thankfully got the offer from 100T" by Striker of HLTV. I guess after 100t he just switched games.

yes these tourneys are for practice and they don't really matter but I think you forgot about the NA VCT, that racks in way more viewership, and yes those open qualifiers get quite a bit, and also that tourney was happening while zeta and fnatic was happening so that could explain the 3 digit viewership (i think?). That first paragraph is so out of context and just makes me look dumb, i said "viewership is a big factor in determining the slots" which has nothing to do with the team viewership itself, and the second one, it's just true that the potential viewership in NA is greater. That is also if t1 makes it far, but that current roster isn't my point, I was clear that i've criticized t1 management and their picking of players and paying them a lot. And before you hit me with another "iF thEy mOvE to kOrEa tHeY wiLl gEt gUaRaNTees aNd mOrE viEwERs", t1 is obviously eyeing big and short term results are probably not what they're trying to achieve, and theres nothing wrong with expanding to NA, just contracting unproven players may not be the move. In which, sure moving to korea would be way better if they are just gonna shit the bed in every na vct. Like i said before each org has their own motives such as expanding, similar to gen.g, which idk why you're not criticizing, but if 2 household gaming orgs of korea are doing it then surely they have a similar logical goal right? Theres obviously both benefits and drawbacks in staying in NA and moving to KR and t1 just decides to stay in NA. This might be my last post debating with you cuz this is getting quite repetitive, so please don't type something triggering to me that will make me respond, and also i can't wait for the prx drx matchup :D

aren't you also basing things off potential as well? who knows if t1 management fucks up in valorant and picks up washed players or unproved players. If they're this incompetent in picking up good players in NA I don't see them picking up good players in KR as well. I think you're basing their fanbase and viewership in these third party tourneys, and the reason they don't get views is because they don't matter at all. I would assume the same for korean teams playing in their own tourneys, maybe even less. Hell it's also not even a guarantee drx will reach a good placing in playoffs, and even if t1 invests riot might not give a damn and not give kr 2 slots, (unless all regions like latam, br, jp gets 2 like in berlin) by now it's pretty obvious riot is very unfavorable in giving fair slots for lans thus it's not a guarantee kr will get 2 slots. What could be said instead is as of now t1 should be picking up good and proven pros, which would blow the fanbase in kr out of the water. Like I said i'm not against t1 moving to kr and i think it would be great, but t1's business decisions in staying in NA are clear.

idk why you're surprised

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say, winning and making money is obviously the end objective, the POTENTIAL viewers and fanbase in NA will be greater than what can be achieved in korea. I know you don't like to hear it but, drx a crazy team full of stars and a team that could potentially win masters, isn't getting a huge loyal following like an NA team, the guard or optic is. Sure in the short term fielding a team in korea would earn them a decent following from koreans, but the fanbase isn't as big as it is in league. I agree that this roster and the moves the management is making aren't going to reach tier 1 val, which is a problem of it's own. With an org as big as t1, i doubt they would wanna try to grow the kr valorant scene (whether you like it or not an org has it's own personal interests) until it gets 2+ slots, and riot being incompetent may not even give it due to the lower viewership compared to other regions.

-supernova, waterboy of vlr

ik you're pretty bias in growing the val scene in KR but esport orgs are looking to spread their brand in the international scene. I never said I agree in fielding that team, but instead i see t1's objective. i'm not a fan of steel, if anything i sorta dislike him. The right way to put it is that most sponsors of t1 are mainly targetting their huge fanbase in league and any other esport team in a plus. I'm sure t1 see's the vision of the potential fanbase they could receive in na, such as the guard and trent's hype train from becoming an unknown tier2 team to representing NA in a lan. I am not against you nor am i against t1 relocating to korea, if anything i think it's good for the region, it's just that the org has other interests.

xerxia 2-0 guard

let them, it makes it way more exciting to see "the underdog" xerxia win tomorrow :D

prx drx holyy shittttttt

idk man I saw that they reached the finals in LEC and I thought they were pretty well respected in the region. For the second sentence, fair enough but most of the time people mention t1 they're just gonna be like "oh it's the insane league faker team" instead of "wow trash org playing in tier 3 NA valorant". Also it's not like sponsors are going to be less attracted to them due to their trash valorant team, really they only have room to grow and be respected in other esports. Most fans of esports teams are only supporting one of the teams in the org, like most navi fans.

does anyone know if this guy is a baiter or being for real with his posts? is he even a real brazillian? some of his posts i read are making me lose braincells but others are geniune believeable takes

not really we just said that f0rsaken is cracked but after the brackets got revealed we were kinda crying

I think t1 has different management in NA as well as in SEA hosting a dota team. T1 will still be legendary and respected in league and korea, especially in the moba scene. The audiences of each esport is different and I'm sure t1 is trying to make their image in valorant good, it's just not working for them. Just like how I viewed rogue as a low tier org from their csgo roster, but they probably look good in league considering their results.

you're missing my point, I think it's incredibly dumb for t1 to pay these pros huge salaries to just get destroyed in tier 3 tourneys. My point is that I see T1's view to expand in NA but the way they're executing it is awful. For your statement of "passion/reputation involved in this" I don't really understand it