and if anybody was MVP of champs 2022 its either Sacy or Aspas be fucking serious.
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and if anybody was MVP of champs 2022 its either Sacy or Aspas be fucking serious.
We really still bringing up champs 2022, like that shit wasn't nearly 2 years ago and the meta has shifted drastically since then, then we use the excuse Pancada had to change roles and play KJ, like he didn't play Viper aswell, and KJ and Omen have simmilar playstyles they are both hard anchors. He's been insanely inconsistent last year the worse rated sentinel player in all of VCT, which isn't good since you have players who've never touched T1 playing last year like Ban from T1 etc.
what would yall do to change the format for VCT 2024?
KD doesn't say everything about valorant cuz u have good kills to deaths means ur a great fragger by no means does it mean ur a good initator and by no means am I saying Cauanzin is shit you can have 32 kills on Skye but only 6 assists that means you aren't playing great initator. Cauanzin was just simply lower Leo c0m and ethan on their most played initators, even then if I do change the list i'd just remove C0m and move up Leo.
maybe Derke but he had a 201 ACS on jett during champs and played very mid on jett during champs and his Raze wasnt much better.
did you not just read anything I just said. Jett last year was played on MAJORITY of the maps besides Lotus, Bind and Fracture, is jett not a duelist? just because he plays one duelist should i just take him off the list?
Ok, then i'll say this. C0m is a better Sova, C0m is the secondary initiator for his team. I'll say Leo just plays initiator more C0m in my opinion is the better player. I still think C0m has better util usage on Sova but i'll give Leo the edge on initator just cuz he plays it more than C0m.
as I said he played mid, mid as in middle of the pack during those Champs and Tokyo he was of course a top 5 initator im saying Ethan C0m and Leo just generally were better during Tokyo and Champs.
I wish 100T actually did something last year then i'd gladly put Asuna on this list :(
Averaged 25 Kills on Jett with wins 62% of his gunfights on Jett lead every region in Multi-Kills Led Tokyo and Champions in Aces, Highest ACS during champs all on Jett. Jett is played on 80% of maps with last year Raze only being Meta on Bind Split and Fracture even then he played Jett and Chamber on Split alternating the two during Champs and Tokyo.
nahhh Cauanzin played mid during champs was a god during Lock in and Tokyo tho. I ranked the initator roll off of KAST and who just has more impact.
won champs and made big plays aswell + his util usage is just simply better than Leo's like have you not seen some of the set plays they run on Fracture? Leo is slightly better mechanically.
Lock In just had a terrible format, thats all. Champs 2023 wasn't mickeymouse, every tournament, People say Afreeca is Mickey Mouse, Superdome: Colombia, RedBull Homeground aren't cuz good teams won them, if it isn't a VCT tournament and a VCT teams wins the tournament its considered Mickey Mouse. If a tournament has atleast 4 Mid to Top tier Franchise teams it shouldn't be considered Mickey Mouse then they all put in the excuse that they were "trying new shit" like they aren't playing for money, and nobody who plays videogames is going to not try when there is money on the line even if your trying new stuff which you have been practicing months prior but has never been showcased in a VCT event.
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FNS? by all means he's the best IGL in the world but he is not the best sentinel.
at the end of the day we have to see, they have good results with TenZ as I said do you not think the coaching staff has addressed this exact thing we're talking about that's what you think, thats not what Kaplan or DrewSparks thinks, at the end of the day neither of us have any competitive experience nor do we know what is going on behind closed doors, thats your opinion you THINK they'll be better but will they? they've definitely tried this and have most likely scrimmed with Pancada and Zellsis in the same server.
by no means do I think offseason tournaments mean as much as VCT events, it can also tell what kind of work they put in PRX and DRX are great teams beating them is not easy even if they're trying shit. I think PRX switching Jinggg and Monyet was really troll, Monyet played poorly, but I do think their first matchup was PRX trying to some extent they beat SEN on Sunset which is their only loss on the map with Jinggg. I think SEN with this roster is impossible to fail with a IGL like JohnQT he turned around the team in the minimal time he was there, they look good tho. I think they just need to clean up some maps but their scrims are going great its only 3 weeks till Kickoff and i think they'll do good theres about 4-5 contenders in NA most competitive region every match is going to be hard.
I agree with some of your points but the only reason you have to say start pancada is because TenZ is playing smokes. TenZ played great last event, was second on SEN in ACS and Assists, KDR and KAST. I think the only thing that he needs to do is play more disciplined thats literally it, they're playing great and the coaching staff has most likely addressed it, he played great on Omen last event, I think if SEN plays good during Kickoff Pancada has to leave the team because you can't just keep a player of the caliber on the bench it think Mechanically, Yes TenZ is better, and during last event he was second in clutches and top 5 in multikills, I think listening to the SEN comms TenZ is very proactive he constantly calls out what util he has and his Kayo and Yoru are very good. I think he's insanely good and if he joins another team they're most likely going to have him just play Jett which he doesn't want to do without running a double duelist comp, we just have to wait and see, I think TenZ is very valuable and on maps like Icebox he might play Yoru or just a traditional Kayo, They had a great offseason I don't see them changing shit with the way they're dominating T1 teams in scrims but its just scrims at the end of the day, I think keeping TenZ is beneficial, the way I see it is TenZ is like Zekken they both bring the little kid energy and need to be kept on a leash but they can close rounds single handedly during the Afreeca tournament TenZ had multiple rounds where he got 2 opening kills and made the game winnable he had 32 aswell we can't forget that and is way more aggressive than Pancada I think they'll also want to introduce him to new roles like maybe a Chamber or on Lotus which looked really good for Cryo, I think he brings more impact in the sense that he can also frag a better rate than Pancada, at the end of the day the coaching staff knows what they're doing.
Bro was NOT champs MVP, I'd rather have someone who injects energy into the team when your down 3-9 than someone who can have flashy aim and get an occasional 2k. Zellsis is a Secondary IGL and team leader, dude where was Pancada's good energy when SEN needed it last year his comms are mediocre and isn't a team player you can bring up accomplishments but I'm bringing up Impact, with Pancada we lose to MXS with Zellsis we beat PRX 3-0. Talk about your own mediocre fucking region you cringe fuck, i dont want to see ur mid lists infecting my VLR. Did bro just tell me to watch a match where Zellsis had 52 kills playing Harbor KJ and Breach what the fuck are you talking about EMEA fans really need to stop talking about NA and focus on their one team region seriously.
EMEA fans talk about ur own region challenge impossible. focus on ur region lil bro we dont need ur mid list and ideas plaguing our VLR forums. You could say Pancada is a better player than Zellsis I'd agree mechanically, Zellsis is better at building chemistry, Calling he's a secondary IGL to JohnQT + he's a team player and a morale builder. Your ideas contradict themselves, you say you "value calling and support play" when talking about LOUD then you proceed to say 100T "better igl and great support but no entry" Duelist cannot do anything without solid protocols you can't expect Demon1 or Aspas to entry and get 2 with no support. FNS is such a great IGL because he put those protocols in place he made Victor and Crashies into such great players and honestly FNS should've stayed out of anybody on the NRG roster last year primarily off of calling with keeping the exact same roster but you add Demon1. KRU should honestly be higher Keznit is fucking insane took them so far last year on the back of his play. C9 could be a dark horse they should get better with practice and honestly they look better with Curry on their team than wippie (IMO) I think NRG will be not up to everyone's expectations just because of Ethan's IGLing he has to prove that part of his game. I think it'll be (1 LEV) (2 SEN) (3 NRG) (4 LOUD) (5 G2) (6 100T) (7 C9) (8 KRU) (9 FURIA) (10 MIBR) (11 EG)
did bro just say Zellsis is worse than Pancada even though they're 10-0 with Zellsis starting.
https://www.vlr.gg/286658/sentinels-vs-team-liquid-afreecatv-valorant-league-sf/?game=149807&tab=overview
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These EMEA fans when they realize Pancada is a great player but isn't a team player, and theres still doubters saying his Omen is shit when he had 32 on Omen beating DRX and is consistently 2nd on the team in assist and ACS.
coaching staff knows what they're doing at the end of the day.
FNC and PRX and EDG are already solidified teams yes they get an advantage but it's a deserved one if you think about it, but this also puts worse teams in worse groups, like SEN has a really easy group and NRG have a fairly tough one. Americas as a region isn't really that different in skill to be honest everyone is in the same skill level everyone is beatable. EG have a horrible roster, if they wanted to do a seeding thing why wouldn't we just have a seeding tournament from January 10th to January 20th lets say in every region minimal prize pool. EG wont go far I promise, or easier just randomize groups and forget seeding all together.
I think it's a good format beside the seeding shit from last year, should be a fresh start but its whatever I doubt EG would go far.
I can't with you people you want them to change the rules because Americas best team last year is now poverty and have a chance at Madrid in 2 matches, so you want them to change it for every single region, I doubt they are even going to make playoffs dude, G2 is in their group and are way better than them calm down.
Coping what? they play better with Curry than they do wippie its that simple you aren't magically going to lose synergy coming from almost beating FNATIC to being completely shit on by MXS and OXG. Your entire Org's ego is literally around almost beating FNATIC in a mickey mouse tourney, I never coped shit or said shit I just said wait till we run through yall did I or did I not? Took a month break and magically became shit keep using that excuse though i'll send you some SEN hopium to cheer you up though lil bro, using taking a month break as a excuse to cover up losing to MXS and OXG and barely beating a 100T who just started prac, insane C9 fans really can't face the real world in their 5'2 110 pound frail bodies huh.
they told you this? you scrim with the team? you were there? hate fans who think they know what the team has been doing like they havent been announced since October and played in tournaments.
MickeyMouse tourney with PRX EDG and TL in it LOL but sure lil bro whatever helps you sleep at night marking the calendar when we roll your shit team.
oh yeah lets name it 'AMERICAS MADRID QUALIFIERS', like why the fuck are you complaining? can your peanut brain not comprehend the format? holy shit. Lock-In had a 10x worse format than this.
C9 Fans are the most delusional type of people on this planet, you guys just lost to OXG and MXS convincingly and won a nailbiter vs 100T. SEN shouldn't be anything lower than A after beating PRX who subbed in Jinggg for Monyet to not get 2-0 then they proceed to get 3-0'd in grands, I can't wait till your poverty team meets SEN in kickoff and hopefully for you guys Madrid cuz we are running threw yall.
Furia 10 just cause they lost in LCQ first but you're right and I put C9 at 5th because they were the 2 seed during the reg season I think placing across those 3 events will matter in seeding.
yes, obviously it's a way calmer environment meaning players are more focused and relaxed, rating a player based off their play style is also insane. You're team is getting owned by T2 teams currently in scrims and you only have what a month left of practice.
you are special, this bracket is way better than LOCK IN there's a actual loser bracket.
(SEED 1) EG (SEED 2) LOUD (SEED 3) NRG (SEED 4) KRU (SEED 5) C9 (SEED 6) LEVIATAN (SEED 7) SEN (SEED 8) 100T (SEED 9) FURIA (SEED 10) MIBR (SEED 11) G2
I think the Americas Bracket will look something like this based off of Champions results and VCT Americas Playoffs and LCQ Results.
Why is LOUD A tier NRG are losing to T2 teams in scrims while SEN are dominating and they just beat the best team in the world 100T should be higher their roster will be top 4 this year in americas.
Unless you do a FNATIC ur chances of winning are low, a lot of EMEA teams look bad on paper Americas just look better than other regions
Comms diff, Leadership Diff, Impact Diff, Mental Diff
looking at some Vitality VODS why in in the world is Sayf the second best duelist in EMEA last year on Kayo for some kid named runner bro shoulda stayed on TL he could’ve became the best EMEA jett, this shit region dont know comps or how to win besides FNATIC a team that gets cleared by SEN PRX DRX NRG AND LEV
Dgzin, Murizz, Heat and Tacolilla are all free agents, I think they'll either some go to T2 but that sucks since they were all great players or go to a diff region.
you guys can say fall off this fall off that but deep down you know even if this is off season this shows that we are capable of beating the best of the best and you guys should fear this team
beat DRX on this Map without Jinggg on this same map, Monyet needs to be gone.
We don't know if they've been scrimming together, so I dont know but if they keep all of them top 3 because no fracture.
LOL MB forgot to add them they'll be mid losing Aspas will hurt
1- SEN ( looking really good currently beating DRX and PRXand beating TL, Interchangable with EG)
2- EG (if they keep their same players under a diff team name)
3- Leviatan (hasn't dropped a map all offseason)
4- KRU- (made champs last year on the back of hard carry of keznit)
5- 100T -( Bang Asuna and Cryo with Eeiu and Nature Igl)
6- LOUD (Interchangeable with 100 Thieves
7 - G2 (Interchangeable with 100T and Loud less chem than both of them)
8- Furia mid
9- NRG (adding marved need a star duelist and a IGL still)
very bad attack half for a double duelist comp but this could be to having a very mid IGL in D4v41, Marved could igl a better split half than that LOL They did better on defense but SEN still looked better, SEN know how to counter PRX and how to beat this team.
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