Broski, I never mindlessly and disrespectfully argue as I respect a nicely laid discussion which is supported by good arguments - or at least I believe in that. And there's nothing wrong in stating your own oppinion in general, you know? The only thing is we have to leave some room for ourselves to be wrong too. But instead, on occasions, some people push their own oppinions on others and try to convince them in something without any supported arguments such as stats, news or whatever.
Regarding those orgs, I'd say those guys have been around in Val pro scene since the beginning but due to some unfourtunate events they had not been given a decent chance in proving their worth. I'm not even someone to judge such people but I feel like someone like supamen, shanks, vanity, koler and the rest from those teams deserve to be amongst the best of today's Valorant in NA. There is absolutely no doubt in that but trying to fit all them in teams is actually problematic which require a certain professional vision by someone with experience. And that how we get to GIANTS with a coach by the name "pipson", and if you've followed CS, you should know who he is. I tend to believe that due to his previous experience, pipson has a good shot at making balanced teams which we currently see in face of GIANTS. So, their success is partially dependant on their management/coach vision as well as their players performance. And there is nothing groundbraking in their success as pople knew who they were from the beginning. Only those who started following Valorant recently think that such teams are "nonames" and I can't blame them for that. It's just I don't agree with pushing their oppinion on others is the right thing.
BTW, there are many more ex-pros or exceptional talents who are trying to get into Valorant scene. And from my estimation we need another maybe 2 years to stabilise the scene. I mean, I can go for 2k words to lay down the explanation but I'm sure you're here not for this.