The always choking liquid

ur baits are only good if it literally contradicts itself, calling Derke and Aspas the GOATs of duelist when they're both under Sayf is so restarted its funny

boring

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semen1

the LPL choke is real, knight is never gonna win Worlds bro lmfao

so you think he's not a good smokes player because he isn't on the same lvl as 2022 Marved, even though he's peaked way higher. He was statistically the best smokes of Champions by far, and you're just down to completely gloss over all that because its due to his good aim so it doesnt count like the fuck does that even mean lol, like would he be a better smokes player if his aim was worse? Did you even watch any of EG games anyways because if you did then you would see how well he's mastered Astra and Brim. Being a good smokes player doesn't mean you have to go for lurks 24/7 lol, if you at least watched the final map of VCT 2023 you'll realize how good he is with the flex, stop unreasonably hating you look goofy.

Dumb af takes like this undermines every smokes player on the planet.

outta pocket behavior

curry invented winning back in 1902

are you mental, how is he not a good smokes player wtf do you want from him to prove lol he plays brim and astra to literal perfection

top 4 material

Demon1
aspas
Ethan
Leo
f0rsaken (Boaster can not frag to save a life)

so then why'd you put LOUD out there

but those are two teams

true but if JDG wins then China would have the greatest team in LoL history cus of the golden road, not Korea, and it'll happen in front of a Korean crowd lol

if T1 loses then its gonna be China vs China in the Worlds final for the first time ever, and its gonna happen in Korea XDDD YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP

If you actually read my post (literally the first line) instead of being a blind EU dickrider, you would know that I still think FNC was the best team this year even though EG had the better year. You are arguing with no one right now, so gl with that 👍👍👍

i dont even know what you're arguing about anymore, I can understand why ppl think FNC's year is better than EG's but I disagree with it because of what I said in my post. You literally just compared Champions as just a tourney like LOCK//IN 20 min ago, you're too hung up on urself bro. You even brought up Boostio out of nowhere then dropped all that once you realized it made no sense lol.

because Champions is just another tournament like Masters and LOCK//IN, ty for forgetting the entire point of my post lol

so you're saying, because Boostio said so, that FNC > EG right now even though EG placed 1st and FNC placed 4th. Be fr bro its obvious to spot when sm1 is humble, he glazed PRX the same way after their lost to them and look what happened in the finals.

MSI's format is better than Worlds now but I can see where ur coming from even though I don't agree with it. Also Boostio's just being humble lol don't take stuff like that literally, I mean they just won Champions idk how anyone can say FNC are currently better than EG that's not a troll.

yeah I'm trying to highlight the importance of Champions this year pretty much that a lot of ppl are downgrading. EG had the better year, but FNC were the best team. I've been a diehard FNC fan since 2015 but I would easily prefer if FNC had EG's year 100%.

LOCK//IN was very much not a dominant tourney for FNC though due to the final + the shitty bracket and the teams they faced. Again you can argue about it but prestige is all that matters to these players and their orgs. If LoL esports had smth similar to LOCK//IN, nobody's gonna be saying that they'll prefer a back-to-back LOCK//IN and MSI win over Worlds, you're making it sound like competition is more important than prestige and it really isn't. Champions is THE tournament with the highest stakes and the highest pressure to perform.

you can argue but im valuing the prestigiousness of each tourney as that's literally all that would matter to any org and player (can be debated upon if ur just a viewer).

its impossible to predict but im 99% sure we're definitely not gonna get another 2023 EG with this roster and not just because of the IGL issue. Ethan & Demon1 are bound to have different views to the game thanks to their smart af coaching staff that Marved & friends probably wouldn't agree with, and that issue is a lot bigger than you would think. There's gonna be calls and strats that have to be balanced between the two cores that probably won't end up meshing well ingame as it would on paper.

Another issue is balancing out the strengths and weaknesses of their draft as well. EG cooked up an entire roster of flexes minus Ethan to create the perfect drafts for them on each map, it's why their map pool this year was insane. Marved & friends don't have that kind of flexibility, so shits gonna either be forced into them or thrown out the window for a more stable roster, either way it's gonna be shaky.

you think any player would say competition > prestige lol, be fr bro

LOCK//IN has never existed prior to this year though, you can argue that 2021 SEN or 2022 OPTIC wouldve won their LOCK//IN, it's just another reason to downgrade it since it was literally just a 1 time thing with a bad format and a small prize pool.

Before i say anything else, I still think FNC were the best team this year specifically because they had the highest peak (Masters).

But for the mfs saying Champions <= Masters + LOCK//IN, you guys have to be trolling. LOCK//IN was completely single elim Bo3s until the Bo5 playoffs where there was just semis and a final Bo5. Idk why we're hyping up a tourney that was literally a one-time experiment with just a 500k prize pool (winner gets only 100k). I understand the argument for Masters of course but it's just not on the same lvl compared to Champions even with the inclusion of LOCK//IN.

The winning prize pool for Champions 2023 was more than DOUBLE than Masters + LOCK//IN and the Champs winner gets a 50% cut from the champs skin ( likely would amount to even more than 1 mill thanks to the game releasing in China), the comparison shouldn't even be close. VCT is literally named after the final tourney for a reason, it'll be like saying MSI + an experimental season-opening tourney > Worlds, it's just a different level of prestige. No player or org wouldn't say that they would prefer to be in EG spot this year compared to FNATIC.

keznit > demon1 the debate is over

NRG

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EG vs PRX's 1st match in Champs was crazy

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british mfs swear they dont sound like this btw (they do)

i wouldnt take that ngl

ya

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no one said drx is braindead dont disrespect ur own team like that wtf

i dont think anyone cares enough about drx to disrespect buzz

dude i was reading an old thread about this exact topic then i see this come up 45 secs ago what the actual fuck
the thread i was just reading rn: https://www.vlr.gg/268361/best-team-without-an-international-trophy

100T fans when they watch an actually good player:

hes never seeing the light of day in pro play anyways so its alright

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NA's greatest minds have successfully cloned another Demon1. OXY vs aspas will go hard.

NRG, EG (if they keep at least 2/5 of their current roster), LEV

if you're talking about the animation then its like 30 and thats without glaze cus I honestly didn't like the story that much. The animation is absurd especially at its peaks but its easier to pull off when the character models look cartoonish thanks to the god-awfully drawn source they're adapting. Overall then its a solid 6/10.

I think its something more than that, just checking a random player in the list here, I found that the kills for soulcas vs FNC (#131) are wrong (should be 19 not 23). Maybe its detecting each player's highest kills throughout their career?