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NVM GOAT IS LIVE THREAD HIJACKED -> https://www.twitch.tv/sarahcantaim

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idk if you heard but chamber kinda isn't relevant anymore, and as such players with chamber stats have to kinda reprove they can perform consistently at the same level -chamber. SR> faze because SR has undeniably leveled up from what they were (beating the TSM that would go on to beat SEN) and faze has yet to match that. The entire reason i brought pro scrim opinions into this is because faze literally have 0 results since the biggest meta shift in the game. Even then i still call the entire thing a tossup. what more do you want.

either you didn't read what i wrote or you have trouble comprehending it.

• Multiple Tier2-3 pros have been allowed entry.
• The requirements are not high at all and a lot of gc pros and even content creators do meet it, and as such have been allowed entry.
• Some t2-3 pros have been denied entry, as the 10mans are admittedly very poorly run.
• Overtime, tiers will most likely be introduced, and teams such as V1 and sr will moved down a tier, and lumped with all the other "no-namers" you speak of.
• They have been doing decently well in the server already, so your opinion is literally incorrect. The issue isnt that they can't do well in these 10mans, but that multiple people who have been denied entry can.
• This discussion most likely won't be fruitful, as i really doubt you can craft a decent counterargument, and won't just keep spamming "women bad women no skill" over and over, but im bored, so im down.

after an astonishingly mid run imo. Only impressive feat performed that tourney was beating eventual winners 100T, but even that might've been a fluke as they got absolutely dominated rematching in lowers over three maps.

Regardless, i will rescind my statement, as it seems each and every player has leveled up multiple tiers after franchising happened. No previous ratings matter anymore (a prime example of this is M80, who regardless of results, has been highly rated by every single pro) and all predictions (mine included) are honestly just blind takes rooted in fanboyism.
However, if i would be allowed to continue to offer a fanboy's take, it wouldn't be a matter of faze being mid, but that everyone else (SR specfically, dunno about G2) has evolved past them.

TL;DR:
previous take was way too harsh(honestly incorrect), SR>Faze>G2 (compiling results + opinions by pros), overall still a tossup as all prev ratings do not matter.

seen this dogshit take twice now. Even though they have their easier group, Faze is just as mid as any of the challenger teams that qualed. they are not getting past SR, much less G2.

nobody cut tier 3 pros dawg.if they fit the req, they will get in, just like anyone else. At the moment, the 10mans are very badly run, and some people who fit the requirements have been denied entry, most haven't. We literally have people like ethos and babyJ in the servers, as they actually do fit the requirements.
Moving forward tiers will also most likely be added, and the very top gc teams will get moved into tier2, as will top 15-30 t2 teams. The gc pros themselves agree with this format. calm the fuck down.

vro just wrote a whole bunch of nothing. no singular point has been made in this paragraph.

how does the elo distribution work?

omg same! twins?

if source 2 comes out COPIUMMM

flor is a vlr degen now you'll be seeing her around

sarah the CoD grinder reading this:

this is scripture.

swerl drops 30 in regulation on both maps

It really just depends on whatever direction tarik wants to take with this. If he wants glorified ranked (which is fine and the original purpose of this in the first place) then he lets all the t1/t2 pros in, but at that point, most people might rather just play ranked instead. Personally i think tiers are a much better approach to this tho, but idk. What i do know is he can't really keep as is, because people who are legitimately qualified are being denied entry.

thing is, zekken himself doesn't mind, but the rest of the pros have literally started avoiding q's to play with each other. dude's just proposing a solution.

he's literally not wrong tho lol. shit dies in a week if it keeps going as is cause none of the pros want to play with t2 randoms. not really the most empathetic solution, but at the end of the day the best one there is. Only addition is to make it so people who finish top of t2 get to climb to t1.

zeldris cause i loved watching him during quals, but in the present groups probably mada

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sadly i've come to accept that he might just be delusional LMFAO look at this clip -> https://youtu.be/vBvYPOm-QAg
dude says he's already proved himself 💀

my table goes pretty hard ngl

s0m and flor started vibing later on tho. just needed time to get familiar with each other ig+ flor wasn't talking much at first

as probably the only person in this forum who believed in him at one point, i must say he's been such a fucking disappointment 💀 not only that but he's also pretty toxic/super damp to his teammates as well. Fucking letdown. he'll 100% be the first one kicked.

she's been owning tho ngl. actually decently impressed by some of the gc players in this. v1 squad has been owning (somewhat expected they're all decent individually) but even tupperware and no-chamber keenc have been mad clean.

the real question is who tf let babyJ in 💀 does he even meet any of the requirements

smash pc break phone ez clap

forcefully dissociate from whatever's taking your time. Ur brain will try to convince you otherwise.

ಠಿ_ಠ ?

i agree its a poor example, but it proves the same thing,more or less. he anticipates it, and gets lucky on timing.

in FPS games, you can also technically cheat reaction time if you "anticipate" the opponent peeking in a particular spot in a particular frame of time, similar to how tenz achieves a reaction time of 95ms (this isnt humanly possible) in this vid simply by simply ANTICIPATING the time the green screen was gonna show up and sort of pre-clicking it https://youtu.be/1N_6kFDQRaE (this has been done many times before by many people)

there are soo many other counteracting factors but mods locked the thread before i could finish ;(

https://www.vlr.gg/166105/question-about-florescent/?parent=1756412
shit was gonna get locked anyway lol

can u guys PLEASE just kiss already

ok

my b lmfao got a tad too excited

what tf does this even mean lmfao im done. Have a nice day mr.olof.
P.S: pretty sure sarah and noia( the best of a decent lot) can hold their own in tier2 as individual players but believe what you want idc

i never used slurs on you olofboost-kun (✿◠‿◠)

i never debated you on the fact that there was a difference i simply provided reasons on why it doesnt fucking matter

god knows how long i've been waiting for the reaction time argument so he never really had a chance tbh. i'm always open to other opinions tho, and will do my research accordingly.

yes pls i wasnt done lol

pretty easy to tell im not an alt from the nature of our posts lol. that's exactly what an alt would say tho so idk.

dw you're my favorite user (✿◠‿◠)

this isn't a scientific paper and there are no values i can base any concrete inference off of. i dont know what exactly to do with "the differences were larger" and "the differences were smaller" can they be improved upon? what is the gradient of declination from "larger" to "smaller" ranging from ages <16 which most esport players are? multiple questions unanswered. My poorly sourced evidence holds more water than this paper.

in this case there are MULTIPLE women in the lovely game of VALORANT who have won MULTIPLE 1v1s against the 0.01% who you claim have an inherent advantage tho. Does that make every female who grinds to radiant an oUtLieR lol.

there is no scientific paper suggesting so (i've searched), so i'd say no lol. If u want to refer tho a less scientific test (aim trainers), noia has broken 145k on gridshot ultimate( top 0.01% on that aimlabs task) which require decent spatial recog abilities and hand eye co-ord(not necessarily but decent enough), and sarah has hit (BY INSPECTION) multiple wide angle <~250ms flicks using raw accel, which by DEFAULT requires very good hand-eye coordination, which technically debunk it as well, in absence of scientific contradiction.

lmfao that is literally just incorrect. You think EVERY pro who became a professional because they were somehow GIFTED it? the only reason why 0.1% of players actually make it pro is cause its so FUCKING HARD to go professional in esports lmao.
Lets walk in your lane of logic for a minute. If u say all pros were GIFTED faster reaction time than the average human, this would imply that the average female is WAY slower than the average male. This means that biologically it SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE for any female pro to ever win a 1v1 vs a male one, as by YOUR LOGIC, t1/t1 pro > average top tier male gamer > female pro simply by default. Watch any of the top tier female players clips and this is easily debunked.

Pls give me a reason to keep arguing with you lol. also respond to a couple more of my points while you're at it thanks :).

well even if you think they don't Riot TO's clearly think they do, and have organized tourneys for those people. You could literally just not watch if u apparently believe these people are fake lol

Finally the reaction time argument!. I have a couple counterpoints and have been looking for someone to debate them on:

• simple RT is completely removed from TTK in FPS games because of a myriad of reasons:
  -you dont auto-react/immediately react to stimuli in an FPS game, as you would in a simple auditory or visual test.
  • different sensitivities skewer the entire concept of the heavy relevance of base reaction time, as even people with faster reaction times would have to actively slow down to hit accurate shots in any FPS.
• the averages from most of these tests have been taken from a wide variety of people, both with faster and slower reaction times individually between the men and the women, and as such if you apply that to esports, this means that there will be men with slower reaction times who are doing quite well at the top 1% of whatever game they play.

Im not saying the average man isnt faster than the average woman btw, im just giving u reasons why it really doesnt fucking matter. I could give more, but lets see if u aren't braindead first lol
PLS READ AND RESPOND THX (✿◠‿◠)

GameChangers is a tournament made to showcase both women and other magrinalized genders. so it in fact, does not.

wait i HAVE BEEN WAITING to argue this! if they identify as female, and there aren't any significant differences btw men and women in gaming spaces, why can't they just compete there then?