Enzo, Mistic, and Magnum are not washed, they just weren't better than leo, chronicle, and derke (3 of europe's best players) plus keiko thrives with good support players for teammates, Apeks is insane

EMEA: Over: Vitality, Under: KOI

ASIA: Over: Talon, Under: GenG

AMERICAS: Over: EG Under: C9

Im not saying all of heretics is a train wreck, they have some good pieces, but that's it they have SOME good pieces.

The only reason to get those specific players over other better players is for LAN experience, but there were better players out there with LAN experience as well (see apeks enzo, mistic, magnum core). The exG2 core they picked up instead was G2 at its weakest ever, and they show no signs of stopping their downhill trajectory

Who is best reyna??????

MISTIC AND MAGNUM A MAIN THEYRE SO GOOD

Seriously, EMEA threw so hard (BBL, FUT, TH, KC should apologise to their fans for their future performance)

Honestly I'd rate this team a little behind giants/vitality tier. That tier being praying liquid/navi/FNC win sao paulo so EMEA because everyone knows they are winning the 3 EMEA slots if they dont.

they wont

But hear me out, what if they're trying to get a 10 man roster so they can field 2 squads for any given match depending on what map is played or wh other opponents are that day. I feel like this strategy would be incredibly successful. Aside from being impossible to counter strat from an opponent's POV it gives them options to run different team comps depending on what their opponents play on the map (example: if they face a team that plays neon on fracture, they can field the roster that only practices cypher on fracture) No idea if this is what they plan to do, but it seems like a good idea to me

W response!

They have good players and a great coach, if they field those players I believe they can be good (mainly because the rest of the region looks weak)

My apologies, the list was off the top of my head

Ok, on paper the roster is the core from they're peak plus the best player of 2022 and a solid flash initiator right? From what I see, the team's majors problems are:

They have terrible role overlap
Vanity is ass
Meta is currently shifting in a bad direction for them
Americas region looks VERY strong especially compared to the other 2, in asia or EMEA they would be a top 4 team easily.
I don't like the players

I havent seen a lot of china, but from what Ive seen EDG and FPX, but EDG is definitely a step above the rest even if FPX beat them in the finals

I hope so too, theyre my favorite team from the region

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

no.

:(

Bro 3 of KC's players are irrelevant

EMEA is easiest, literally only NAVI Liquid and FNC. if one wins sao paulo, ginats and vitality are fighting for the last spot

ASIA: DRX, PRX are the obvious go to, but the third is a tossup between Zeta GE and Talon. GE and Talon all depend on is their individual gambles of their players (Patiphan being healthy and whatever GE is doing hopefully they play 4 of their 5 imports at least). So the safest bet I feel is Zeta. If you're wondering why not GenG, it because in the 1 tourney we've seen of them, they looked significantly worse than talon.

Americas: this is the hardest region for a top 3. While I hope EG does good, that isn't realistic so Im gonna go with NRG, 100T, and Loud

Him joining Giants made them a top 5 team back in 2021, personally, I believe he's redeemed himself

and for a french candian import, GMD or effys would be a good choice

aside from scream and nivera who on karmine corp is better than him? Hes by far more accomplished than the other 3 players from his time on giants alone plus he can IGL which scream has never been good at

Seriously WTF were they doing with this roster?Scream and Nivera are good yes, but the other 3 have no actual accomplishments in Val and were mid players at best in the tier 2 scene. When looking for an org that only made a roster for clout, this shit should be the example. Off the top of my head here are some players who are better than at least 3/5 of their current roster: Chiwawa, Ellement, Jugi, Meddo, purp0, L1nk, Seider, shadow, mistic, Magnum, Kiles, H1ber, Popifresh, vo0kashu, shed, alorante, ambi, jady, arch, braveaf, dreams, baddyG, musashi, ALIVE, snikk, GRUGHINO, feqew, or just getting the entire parla roster

And for anyone who says they wanted a french only roster (which is a bad idea if their goal is to win) , here are better french players: Enzo, Kadavra, AKUMAAAAA, logan, roden, Takas, DavidP

Pls let me know if I forgot any players, I love seeing more reasons why Karmine Corp suck!

they have 2 tier 1 players, so yeah I'd say they're irrelevant, remember only 3 teams make champs

Deadass, NA SA and EMEA were almost equally successful in 2022 but the Americas got fucked over hard. At least riot equalled it out by making half the EMEA franchised teams irrelevant rosters (FUT, BBL, KC, TH, KOI, GIANTS)

Bruh you seriously cant say that after the performance trent pulled against sen at the Ludwig Tarik Invitational

I did not know this, I take back my comments

GG to SA ascension. The other teams might as well pack up cuz nobody is stopping Slick. I"m so hyped to see hastad back in action!!!!!!!

my apologies, i meant foxz

I think you forgot to mention trent, chronicle (on Gambit), crws, and derrek

I'll be rooting for TS for sure in this match, but with the way the meta shift has impacted the game, it looks REALLY good for liquid. Theyre probably one of the 4/5 competing to actually win the event

oh then bleed did that too in the same tourney

Paper Rex beat Heretic and Secret and global esports in like november

this is LAN headass

Zombs on smokes
marved in prison
dizzy on sentinel
Sinatra in prison
prod on duelist

Thats my takes on their roles

"I call sinatra "jay" so you know I'm close with him!"

bro you got ratioed

Nah im in college dude, I'm on an esports scholarship for my college and compete in NECC. (My name for the leagues is ambo69 too if you wanna fact check) aside from that i got academic scholarships so im basically here for free. um lets see, I'm 18 so you were close enough on that i guess, IQ is irrelevant and has been debunked as a useful metric for almost every way to determine "intelligence" but I guess since you've never read anything more academic than a jordan peterson "self help" book you wouldn't know that would you? If you would like to know anything else about me please ask, I am very happy with who I am and where I am in life, and from the looks of it you probably need the help. Stay safe :)

"dude is appreciating a team that lost 13-1" oh sorry what scoreline was this in reference to in the V1 appreciation thread? Look dude you arent being some kind of "cool edgy troll master" youre just a hater for the sake of hating at best and just straight-up sexist at worst. i have no idea why you're going to every V1 thread tonight shitting on women's team but clearly there is something going on in your life. I hope one day youll graduate middleschool and change for the better <3

Dude legit hates a team cuz it has girls on it (before you say its because theyre overrated, make some threads about overrated mens teams)

Legit the bottom half of the bracket is significantly more stacked than the top half, top half only has MR and DR as viable teams to make it, meanwhile, the bottom half has NSIC, NA, Oxygen, Disguised, and the better of the pub 5stacks. I legit have no idea who made this bracket, but they obviously love dark ratio

ummmmm actually theyre all huge NSIC fans. NSIC (The most popular org in NA with its best players) is really cool! stop calling us NSIC fans mysoginistic!!!!!! that has NOTHING to do with our love for NSIC and poor relationship with our parents

Who?

Well to be entirely fair 100T and LG look significantly worse than Faze currently

bow down to this ratio

sinatra bad

Personally, just from how V1 has performed recently, I would place them top 4, mainly because of how badly teams like optic and sen underperformed

MY RANKINGS

1. Cloud 9
2. XSET
3. V1
4. Sen
5. Guard
6. Rise
7. Optic
8. NRG
9. 100t
10. LG
11. EG
12. Knights