Gambit was probably the best in 2021 based on consistency, and Id say heretics was best in 2020

he is getting farmed rn

dont you know? you cant call oxy inconsistent or not the best in general without being downfragged on this site cuz no one actually watches matches but instead just looks at scorelines

Hes super consistent??? Do you actually watch the games or just look at the stats? He plays a role in a team where the superstar player is their teamplay and coordination. He isnt MEANT to popoff every game because he sets up his teammates not the other way around. Hes really good at his role on the team and consistent at it

Top 5 in NA Challengers are:

tex
bdog
Sym
Koalanoob
Yay (1 bad game doesnt define a player)

Hes super inconsistent and thats when hes on a team literally built around setting him up. Almost all their strats and plays are just creating openings for him. Bdog, tex, sym, koala, pwny, and corey all have more consistency and better actual skills

lmao oxy isnt even top 5 duelist in challengers

The list is BEST players on BAD teams, not WORST players on GOOD teams

Its not just stats that matter, dazzLe has obviously had a lot of impact on the team. His IGLing is clearly making the team more competetive. I'm not saying wedid isnt good, hes an amazing player, i just personally value the impact dazzLe has had

Are you mad that their team has a better IGL than G2?

Bad is defined by not M80, Guard, TSM, G2, OXG, or MxM

Faze: Poised is literally the only player you can argue for besides maybe Tigg, but Poised is the only one performing consistently and he is the IGL
Mad Lions: Ange, he was a top 5 controller last split. Shame hes stuck with trick
OR: Paincakes, no real reason besides how I love the guy
DSG: Nerve, Looked really good in his series so far and him and runi CARRIED Soniqs
TTR: dazzLe, If TiGG put new life into this team, then dazzLe reatached their limbs and motor functions. They seriously fought M80 and wouldve won map 2 if not for a few choked rounds. Super excited to see this team's future
SR: Bdog, no need for explanation

I apologize because in my preseason rankings I put them as 6th, I was wrong. They are clearly 10th (Faze 11, Mad Lions 12)

are you seriously that mad over someone liking a player?

might fix their IGL problems at least

hes been a top 5 korean player since day 1 yet no one gives him credit. that's underrated

GenG King. This man has always been the best player on Korea's second best team, and its so good finally seeing him play on LAN

Trick is enough of a handicap that they cant break that rule

Definitely was zexrow's and drones fault

Yes I know c0m sucks and is on Bcj's preferred role and that apoth was a really good smokes player last year and that c0m on bench, Bcj init, apoth smokes would be the best roster for the team, but jawg is like 9 and 20 on smokes rn. why tf did they take Bcj out if jawg isnt even playing duelist

https://www.vlr.gg/event/324/champions-tour-north-america-stage-1-challengers-3/main-event
they were kooky koalas

he actually led the only FA to ever qualify for challengers

Screwface also IGLs

Bad roster, lack of a proper IGL, inexperienced coach staff built around being yes men to scream. Need me to list more?

to be fair something only hit his stride a few months ago, so its not unreasonable, especially if nakji keeps it up in what is the harder league of Korea (compared to jp)

Look him up, he is putting up insane numbers on CONTROLLER of all agents, how has he been unsigned for so long

G2 got bodied by TTR and were publically humiliated in the post match interview for their starts which they had to overhaul afterward. G2 showed it again in their match against M80. G2 CONSISTENTLY crumbles over any structured team like M80 (only beat guard because guard played extremely sloppily) for G2 to remain at this top spot so many people have them placed, they seriously need to work on this because if TiGG from TTR saw the old cracks so easily, other teams with coaches and staff will notice the new ones too

rooting for Xset, but the team has 3 dead weights half their games. poor bob and katsumi

GRD genuinely played atrociously against g2 that one game. And if 1 game makes a team better then GRD beat M80 2-0 soooooo

this is the most lukewarm take possible, my man just looked at the current rankings and copy pasted

thats your belief and thats cool, but I have confidence in the MxM core. the roster is about equally skilled and MxM has only recently been signed and given resources G2 has had more of and for longer. Its not unreasonable to think MxM will hit a stride

now that ive been endorsed by subreezy I know I am right

1 result doesnt determine a team bro just basedo n consistency issues they've had and the changes made in the league and meta, I feel like this is reasonable

yay has dominated all the players on g2 (aside from oxy) when they were on better teams, steel is a better IGL. Its a perfectly reasonable take

i mean i feel like the MxM is a hot take, but I still am not high on g2, most of the games they won, they looked super shaky and it was against teams who definitely weren't performing their best

DSG has yay lmao

the core of this roster has been super successful previously, the most most recent split is their outlier currently, so I believe its super realistic they bounce back

I wanna see it happen too, but i feel like the support isn't quite at the level of Guard or M80

DSG has too much role overlap, honestly they should just let him go

Here are where I'd rank the VCL teams for the next VCL split

12: Mad L(ion)s
11: OR
10: Faze
9: TTR
8: TSM
7: OXG
6: G2
5: MM
4: SR
3: DSG
2: Guard
1: M80

Cant wait to be proven wrong on this but I feel like this is generally a good list

this is what ive been saying for months

thats a weird way of spelling big bean

team heretics fan

this team deadass better than some franchised EMEA teams

xset is trolling with this roster, only bob and katsumi or worthwhile. bob deserves better peices

This dead is deadass katsumi and bob in a 2v5. Both of them look incredible though

wedid, govenor, nismo, tdawgg, zekken, and tanziqh

IDK most pro players are on zex's side

bro why tf are you on vlr, go prove that you shouldn't have been dropped over 2 more qualified guys

g2 fan coming up with a good take (IMPOSSIBLE!??!!?!??)

trick was OBJECTIVELY the worst player on that roster. Aside from drone moving from the kayo role (his best role) so trick could bottom frag as raze and kayo. Ange was obviously the best player, but him zex and drone all were against this walking L