well.... yes, that is why I said Pats. But like the Pats (due to them winning0 their fan base is "a bit much".

But I'm more interested in who can take SEN down consistently, which is a next year's question. Because most teams (who are out of the champs running)m need an offseason to figure out the next steps.

no

For most teams the year is already over... so why not talk about next year?

If they get more unofficial events, Val will keep on growing which i think they will.

T1 is a team i can see pop off next year! And i think Dawn is pretty good!

True.... but this SEN feels like the 2000' New England Pats team......I think the nearest team to SEN in NA is Envy.

....... BOLD, but I like it. I want SQ to pop off big time!

Who will be the team(s) that can beat SEN on a regular basis next VCT?
By this time, next year?

Keep Dell on Jett for Ascent... that is the biggest issue that and if Bang is gonna play a duelist on Ascent then he should play Phx (more team value) .

Surely Envy....

Both Qual for LCQ now!!! POGGERS

This and Roza had a very bad game as well as Hazed..... TSM and Rise both losing helps C9B get to the LCQ so this is very good for us

Naw they changed the format like 3-4days ago

This!! He needs to be the main duelest.

If Rise and/or TSM get knocked out 1st round then C9B will be in the LCQ for VCT. so I would say they need to figure something out by the end of the NSG event.

Floppy is gone IMO so I already moved on from him (best of luck). But Leaf needs to by on a duelist, putting Leaf on other agents (besides Sage) is not the answer.

I think you are asking probably the BIG question when it comes to C9B, which is: Do you believe in Xeppaa as a top player in this game?

I honestly don't know the answer to that question... i think Xeppaa needs to play more and this question won't get an answer until next year's VCT

Agree.... out of Leaf and Poiz. I would have Leaf be the main entry than Poiz. Leaf's Raze is nasty!

Agree.. which is why I think Poiz needs to stay. I just don't think 6 man rosters are the move in this game. I know VS is doing 6 man, but NA val is different to KR val.

So the question becomes if 6 man is not the move and Poiz stays because Jett meta is the way (Poiz can play a good Reyna as well). Who goes? Xeta or Mitch. out of those two, i would say Mitch. I think Mitch is great! and He deserves top tier 1 Val, but C9B need a change from top 10 to top 5.

Damn.... you having a whole convo with yourself..... but I would say number 1......The IGL/coaching of C9B has been bad.

Hopefully, someone is streaming....

At this point if the Vanity to C9B is true.... I will be just happy to have a consistent C9B Val streamer.

All the Val twitch content has been from Mel, Annie, and C9 Mang0. Can we get one C9B Val streamer haha?

WHAT LOOOOL

Good looking out!

Any streams?

Maybe

Ive played against him in ranked, but obv thats not the same thing. I think if there was no post plant, no judge, and no OP metas to abuse and the game properly balanced, he wouldnt be any sort of special IGL at all, open to being wrong on this one

I think it is floppy on accident because floppy has not been scrimmaging with the team still

At this moment...who knows

I feel the same way...... which I like this game a lot. because even the best teams can be beaten pretty easily in this game. Every match feels winnable for every team.

of V1, yeah @ ranker11

I don't think so.... if you look at the scrims Mitch seems to be the person missing.

I can see a world in which the 3 from NA are NV, 100T, and XSET

True.... essentially, Fnatic just overthinks... that is what hurt them in the end. They have a great squad of players.

....... this hurts, but true. Watching 100T Steel completely break down C9B's pug strats on Floppy's stream was some painful truth serum

I want to see what TSM does in this upcoming event to see if they are top 5. They are for sure in the top 10 NA teams, but I'm in the "wait and See" on TSM. BUT, after everything, they have been through the past 6 months.. i would say TSM's team has the best mental in the game more so than SEN.

This

I think this and a good coach is what are holding back the C9B roster.

If the rumors are true and Vanity goes to C9B:
1) Who does he replace?
2) What would be the potential of the C9B roster?

For me: 1) He replaces Mitch (who has been great and deserves to land on another great team)
2) The IGL of Vanity makes C9B easily a top 5 below XSET

I hope this move does happen, but TBH C9B needs to have some consistency with their roster.

I think it is a bit of both. They are good, but the top teams are finally playing to their potential. Plus as much as I like V1, I think their growth is capped at the moment.

Hopefully C9 makes the LCQ

True!

Mitch has improved alot since Beta (year 1). I hope C9 Vanity happens, but I also want Mitch to find success!

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!

This or some type of unofficial season/div or whatever you want to call it.

Yep... which sucks, because everyone on the team is so good. I don't think so... You have to be a year out from a VCT qual. But they still have the LCQ at the end of the year. Hopefully next year Valorant grows to have other big events outside the VCT.

Fans and Non-fans: What do yall think is next for C9B?

Hopefully, they keep their team intact... and get a coach who knows some damn strats. When 100T Steel broke down C9B's problems in real-time during the LG game is was hard to watch really.

C9B = Leaf
SEN = SicK
100T = Hiko
Faze = Corey
Fnatic = Boaster
V1 = Tie btw Vanity and Zellis (both are very funny )
T1 = Curry

Would Sinatraa want to go to TSM?

I guess I just saw that as pressure, since the loser of the game is out of the LCQ and done for the year.