The frequent scoring is what makes basketball so good... watching dudes run around a grassy plain for 90 minutes doing jack shit is not entertaining.

They def aren't the least egotistical, but who tf cares anyways. If you cry about trash talk and players having confidence then watching competition isn't for you.

True, soccer is kinda mid and overrated. Half the games nothing even happens for 90 minutes

You can do anything if you try hard enough, but it would take less effort if you got a PC upgrade judging by your specs

Probably TL since nAts is there

Yay is underrated at this point. If he can make a comeback this year, he deserves to be in these conversations.

Enigma

What's wrong with liking a player...

Yeah its seriously embarrassing. I've been ready to move on but these kids are just so butthurt

Cool 👍

Ready to move on now or you guys wanna keep being immature?

Zip him up when you're done

Who brought up DNA dawg 😭

It ain't even worth debating with some of you guys

Do you not realize how pathetic this is? Making three threads slandering yay/bleed just cuz I disagreed with you?

Thank you for the insightful perspective. While I may not fully agree, you bring up some good points.

Can't get me off your mind?

Holy fuck grow up.

Terrible take. Players have natural affinities to certain roles. You can't just expect them to adapt and then call them bad when they don't live up to your absurd expectations.

He only became mid after the role swap. Before that he was winning insane clutches and people said "my god why he doesn't miss a shot"

How is he washed? He was off role on a team without an igl last year

I agree, He's hated just cuz he whiffed some deagle shots. He played fine last year and he will be even better now that he is on his main role

Pettiness is off the charts with this one

I use these, they're pretty good
https://a.co/d/7joeMt0

No, just have better things to do then argue with brain rotted sen fans that aren't capable of any critical thinking.

Or maybe it's cuz Rob Moore cares doesn't give a fuck about winning and only cares about clout and vibes

Lmao, you are the reason vlr needs an age requirement

You are beyond slow holy fuck

Lol when did I claim I was a sen fan?

I agree achievements isn't the best factor, but by any other metric pancada clears anyways.

I'm pretty sure good mental, teamwork, and strategy are all more important than aim. Otherwise tenz would have 5 rings. Besides, there is no evidence yay's aim has deteriorated in any way.

Crazy people think he's worse than zellsis. What has zellsis achieved? Even on c9 he was a mid player on a mid team that couldn't make LAN. Meanwhile pancada was one of the best players in the world for all of 2022, a world champion, and champs mvp.

Finally a W sen fan. This org is disrespectful as fuck and I'm tired of brain rotted 10 year olds glazing this team. Pancada deserves much better.

First you gotta get out of plat

He played 7 games on the shittiest team to ever play in vcl. He wasn't any more lost than his 4 teammates. And this isn't 2021 anymore, one single player can't solo carry a team. Even the current best player itw (demon1) didn't solo carry EG at Tokyo and Champs. You're delusional as fuck if you think those games define his ability as a player.

Bad excuse, even if our food is that unhealthy he should take it upon himself to hit the gym.

I was willing to hear you out until you said this

However, the overwhelming reason for his decline is that he just isn't that good anymore.

Do you actually believe that shit? Because that is insane to me. Bro didn't even get a chance to play all of 2023. Even his short stint on c9 he played well.

Agreed completely, the only team that beats bleed talent wise is prx.

The play-ins will be very entertaining for sure, but on paper bleed should come out on top.

Exactly, the EU propaganda is insane

Yeah I mean I'm not saying sscary will for sure be better, but there is a world

This narrative is bad, just cuz he was the best chamber player in the world doesn't mean he can't play well without him.

Mindfreak plays his role well and is super clutch at times but imo sscary is a better fragger

just tell me you don't know how to read

Before you spam y0y, hear me out.

They have a pretty easy group, the only team that can pose a challenge is t1. Zeta looked mid in the offseason, only barely squeaking bo1 wins against bleed and c9 who had subs so I think bleed will beat them. I think they can easily make playoffs, either qualifying directly through winner's or by steamrolling the play-in.

Also, the team itself is very good. sScary is an absolute monster who has somehow already been forgotten by most of you guys?? Do you not remember how insane he was during pacific ascension?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1652/champions-tour-2023-pacific-ascension
Also his 1v4 ace clutch is arguably one of the greatest plays we have ever seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67YaPTOTX_I&pp=ygUKc3NjYXJ5IDF2NA%3D%3D
In my opinion, he is already the 2nd best controller in pacific, and could honestly pass up mako if DRX continue to decline.

Crazyguy's calling was also fantastic, if you watched pacific ascension you know exactly what I mean. It wasn't even close, bleed looked miles better than every team at the tournament even though scarz and dplus were solid in their own right. Admittedly, I didn't watch much VCL Malayasia/Singapore, but they pretty much shitstomped everyone in both splits:
https://www.vlr.gg/team/matches/6387/bleed/?group=completed

The only real loss bleed faced was losing juicy, but imo they couldn't have picked up anyone better than yay. It's actually insane that we are at a point where yay is underrated. Dude could have easily been the goat if clown9 didn't ass fuck him by going broke:
https://www.vlr.gg/273819/why-yay-is-the-undisputed-goat
But yeah the goldfish memory is insane by vlr users, 2 years of dominance overshadowed by 7 games with the shittiest team to ever play an official.

Deryeon and Egoist have also been pretty solid, and bleed has a great coaching staff too.
So yall better stop sleeping on this team fr.

ayyy what's good man

To be fair, c9 taking fnatic to map 5 only shows how shit fnatic is, not c9 being necessarily good.

yay where
sscary where

they won't even win against eg

not at all true...

the same amount

Yay (GOAT)

This is a dogshit take. Pancada is not gonna burn the bridge with sentinels by openly complaining. Plus he has said multiple times that he wants to play and doesn't agree with the decision.