He getting that bread for sure, I doubt g2 is paying him all that much

His roles not that easy to be consistent in either, your either getting super easy trades if ur team is playing well or unfavorable duels if ur entry is getting fucked

Let’s give him some credit he’s been playing really well recently, I only see people hating on him or calling him inconsistent but he’s consistently their second best player

Bro comeback has played like 3 tier 1 games wtf

On sentinelmains soul, FNC WILL get grouped at this champs

You are NOT that guy pal… on everyone’s soul except mine WE will all watch EG win champs

“FoXy9…zest…no foxy9…nah zest got it….nah we need foxy….its a playoff match let’s get zest…well fuck we lost let’s kick zest…well fuck we lost again let’s boot foxy….oh look beyn….or Estrella????” - T0rmi probably

Even prime fnc didn’t make Madrid. Even GENG and PRX didn’t make kickoff despite how internationally good and regionally dominant these teams are.

I think EDG are overreacting with their constant roster moves. They are so used to being absolutely untouchable in China that since they began losing they are panicking trying to find the right roster to dominate again, but in reality, china just got better as region.

None of the best teams in the world are ever flawless regionally. It’s natural to struggle at times or lose. Instead of overreacting I think edg should just stick with their roster and improve together. Even if they struggle regionally and don’t make champs constantly switching their roster is not helping. It takes time for a new roster to gel together.

Tier 1 team because as long as YOU play well ur staying in tier1
And yea I will be farming eco frags and exit frags and saving in every clutch

I think he just eventually lost interest in the game after the faze downfall. He’s also one of the players who was truly carried by chamber being an aimer sentinel main who relied heavily on his mechanics.

They ain’t ready for the GX champs run brotha let them know

I never use yellow. I see red the easiest but I use purple because I see the head outline the easiest on purple if it makes sense. Just stick with one for a while (yellow in ur case) and eventually you will prefer it probably

Forcing him to play a different style of play isn’t good for g2 or for his career

Polar opposite styles of play, Jawgemo is a hard entry that will run in and die or take space and hold an angle on one part of the map the entire round until his tp runs out
You want primmie to rotate to where the action is or trade frag ideally

I’ll always say the Ardis 1v3 on ascent because the room for error was quite literally zero. He had to hit every shot exactly when he hit it and move in the exact way he did.

I wish we could have gotten an optic/loud vs fpx at champs. They prolly would have lost but there was a chance that if they didn’t run into DRX (who had them figured out) they coulda made top 3.

FPX. The war kind of fucked them, but they made 6 LANS in a row from 2022-2023. They also consecutively placed 1st, 4th, and 3-4th in a row before falling off. They beat some prettty good teams in 2022 along the way such as xset, fnc, prx, optic, and drx. Their consistency was nearly optic/loud level but they don’t get the same hype.

Or potentially upgrade their roster? There not that far off being a good challengers team
They prolly want to do it with only gc players or at least with this specific roster

Well they prolly want to win as well, I don’t think their content with just being there

They almost certainly want to stick together, but if they get relegated again (hopefully not 🙏) should they consider a mixed team?

Also, chronicle is a big reason why both fnc and gambit were considered super teams in the first place

I think pacific fans glaze forsaken, which they should, but NA fans as well since they have a rivalry with EU and don’t want to give credit. I think it’s a pretty close debate but if either of them is the undeniable flex goat its chronicle not forsaken.

Hasn’t he played some flash as well? Or is it only gekko. Tbh scan initiators in NA are also a weakpoint other than Trent. That’s the problem, because other than Trent, narrates prolly the best at his role so it’s hard to replace him.

I don’t recall chron being a particularly good chamber? Maybe I’m misremembering but I always thought nats was gambits best chamber. Forsaken had some nice performance in chamber at Copenhagen tho

In pacific league 23, arguably at champs 23 as well. Davai played better at some of the regionals in 24 and at champs 23, jingg played better at masters Tokyo
Forsaken was his teams best player at tonronto and copenhagen, maybe at Madrid?

If you care about a team you care more about their shortcomings too.
Idc if a random on the street is a crackhead but if my sister is in a lot more worried for an example

I don’t think narrate being inconsistent is that big of an issue, no flash initiator is really consistent in valorant. I agree that sen keep trolling roles in certain maps tho.

Eye test favors aggressive players, but getting 1kill 4 rounds in a row is better than 4 kills in 1 round. Also, forsaken majority played smokes in Toronto as well, only occasionally initiator.

The revisionist history NEEDS to stop. Forsaken is the best prx player because he’s the most consistent, but something, jinggg, and davai have 100% played better than forsaken at different tournaments throughout prx’s peaks (Tokyo, champs 23, pac league 23).

Also chronicle was as good as nats on gambit. Nats was better than him in Berlin and chronicle was better at champs. I’m not using trophies as an argument, looking at purely individual performance, Chron is just better internationally.

I think Xeppaa needs to play aggro flashes. When c9 had a lot of success was when leaf played duelist and Xeppaa also played aggro flashes/raze. Leaf isn’t a hard entry duelist either, so that combo worked out very well.

They play better when they have space to get more favorable duels. It’s fine being a hard entry if your support players/trade fraggers are insane, but those players on both teams have been inconsistent this year.

It’s only a slight downgrade tho imo. The problem is bang is the wrong type of player to replace tenz with.

I’d agree as well. They should move John to senti and let zellsis play initiator as well on double duelist maps

Bang imo is a firepower sidegrade to tenz on smokes, but he’s a an anchor/lurker while tenz is a bigggg X factor.

Both of these teams are forcing their carry (Zekken and OXY) to be the hard entry. However, both of these players played best when they had another aggro player to help them.

On xset, Zekken struggled a bit more because he was the hard entry for cryo. Oxy has also been inconsistent for similar reasons. Zekken best tournament happened with tenz who took a lot of pressure off of Zekken and played aggro with him; some of oxy’s best performances has been when Xeppaa also played a lot of double duelist with him during the regular season split1.

Forsaken was definitely better than chronicle at Toronto and champs 23. Chronicle was better in Berlin, champs 21, better in lock-in, better at Tokyo, better at champs 24.

Which agents does forsaken play at a higher level than chron?
I think chron is a better viper, kay0, vyse, kj, cypher, sova, breach, skye than forsaken. I think forsaken is a better Jett, omen, astra, chamber, fade, neon, and yoru than chron (obv chronicle don’t really play neon or yoru). Raze is an interesting question because neither have many games on her.

1v1s don’t really matter in a 5v5 game, realistically some random radiants could beat a pro player in a 1v1

Forsaken rarely plays duelist anymore, so if you include that then you have to include chronicle also playing recon initiator
Chronicle played initiator and duelist on gambit, initiator (scan after Leo left and flash) + viper, and now plays 3 roles (sentinel, viper, flash initiator). Just playing more agents doesn’t make you a better flex, chronicle is better than forsaken on most initiator and sentinel agents.

I’d only agree if you value international and regional performances equally
However internationally there is a pretty big gap in favor of chronicle, but chron has been on historically better teams which is what makes the debate close

I disagree. Why do you think forsaken is better individually? Chronicle has had way more impressive international tournaments than forsaken.

Why so? Chronicle plays a huge amount of agents really well too.

Who’s y’all’s goat flex? I have to go chronicle, he’s just put up way more impressive international tournaments (lock-in, Tokyo, champs 24, Toronto, Berlin, Berlin champs, EWC) compared to forsaken (Toronto, Copenhagen, champs 23). People criticize chronicle for only performing on super teams but despite prx’s individual success forsaken hasn’t really had many dominant tournaments globally.

Comparing their flex ability, chronicle is a better initiator and sentinel, while forsaken is a better smokes and duelist.

Agreed. He needs to learn to play his life in certain situations, but I think he will always have more impact than his stats imply.

Ur on crack, you need to look at Emea league in 23 and masters Tokyo
Leo and Alfa played well but chronicle was a massive part of both
Dude put up like 280 ACS every time he was on viper

He was low key gambits most consistent player in 21 no? Nats had higher peaks and was flashier but chron basically never had bad games

Jonahp is in breach jail, when he gets to play other agents, he frags out. Patmen has the most impactful kills imo (crucial trades and clutches) and asuna creates a lot of space. Cryo having to hard entry would low key fuck 100t hard since he’s their carry.

Which players do you think are underrated by stats goblins?

Here’s my list;

1. Patmen
2. Jonahp
3. Asuna (low key)

Jeezus Christ leaf doesn’t get nearly enough glaze

Optic won Reykjavik. FPX won Copenhagen. EG win champs. SEN won Madrid. T1 won Bangkok. Idk for sure how long double map bans have existed, but this seems to imply like half of the lower bracket teams win.

People were criticizing boaster for going -30, but he went -30 in a 4 map series against the best team in the world. Fns went -30 against kru in a bo3. Truly the GOAT igl 😂