Ay I respect being a fan but calm down buddy

I’m curious why do u think tenz is a better aimer than Zekken?

1. If a person is a fragger, that means that they are a top tier aimer. If they aren’t a fragger, then they don’t have good aim.

2. If a team wins a tournament, the players on the team are all top players/top at their individual roles. If a team doesn’t win or make LANs, the individual players are bad/worse.

These are both cap imo

Granted I’m no where near a pro player but once u get used to sensitivities having a low sense does not make raze hard to play, Alfajer was frying on raze in 2022

Demon1 is just not a good raze, sensitivity has nun to do with it

Prefranchising nrg didn’t really have many fans so they were chill
Larger fanbases always have insufferable people

Should we at least wait until the year ends?

True enough, but let’s be honest Emea would have done the same if loud had won lock-in
I already see people referring to Madrid as a Mickey Mouse

Can u read? Their win vs loud was great but they beat teams that never made any other lans or got grouped the entire way through

It’s a Mickey Mouse because every franchise team gets into the tourney without earning it, lower competiton

I explained in post #5
Also kickoff is more recent so it’s more impressive

Yes, but it wouldn’t be as impressive as any other trophy.
Fnatic got to grand finals lock-in after beating sentinels (who didn’t even make playoffs in regionals), furia (no lans in 2023), 100t (didn’t make regional playoffs), and navi (grouped every lan in 2023)

More recent trophies are more impressive. Sentinels kickoff win is a lot more impressive than say gambits masters win in 2021

APAC - 0 😭
China - 0

EMEA - 5 (-lock-in tax)
Amer - 5 (+last 2 trophies buff + 2 champs trophies buff)

Amer > EMEA

EU (fnatic x2, ascend, fpx (majority eu players, Ukraine isn’t cis)
NA (Sen x2, optic, EG)
Cis (gambit)
Brazil (Loud)

Eu - 4(-lock-in tax)
NA - 4(more recent trophies buff)

NA > Eu

TLDR
NA clears

Emea includes multiple sub regions whilst na is a sub region.
Not a fair comparison.

Zellsis replacing pancada, tenz transitioning roles, new coaching staff, etc
Lots of reasons

Optic and paper Rex as well prolly
Gambit as well

Top 3 has to be him, Aspas, and texture for duelists I think
Maybe demon1

101

Needs 13 kills to break the kill record

Brought up a 7 month old thread 🤡

I think yay had 91 vs DRX in champs lower final 2022

Monyet 5? Bait?

Surely not 🤯
Do sen get map ban adv?

Hard to get it other ways when eu didn’t even make top 4 and we saw sen and loud play 6 bazillion times against each other

Ngl apac long overdue a trophy

Doubt sen would have gotten past nrg without tenz becoming thanos

Zekken and sacy also had horrific performances on split and breeze, and geng was clearly miles better on breeze
Can’t blame one player if every else plays like shit too, just cause he played worse

His gekko looks better than his duelist somehow, feel like he overheats less

It’s not cope at all, especially cause I’m a Sen hater (cause of fans)

Not gonna Johnqt been putting in a SHIFT this masters, leading the scoreboard and igling
Genuinely incredible how much potential he has

Tenz has a rough series, but he wasn’t the reason sen lost when they got blown out on 2 maps. If the maps were 13-11 or OT losses then sure you can blame tenz, but when no one is playing well, one player cannot be blamed. That being said he is still a fraud because he didn’t drop 150 and carry his team 🙄

He’s just letting his teammates shine
W teammate

Sen fans were trash talking nrg for losing to bilibili when they couldn’t make it 2 rounds in lcq lol

The same way the moment sen started winning all the fans started bandwagoning after shitting on their own players for 2 years

Reasonably accurate, ofc not perfect
U can’t call him a top 5 player after a few matches, just as u can’t call him shit after just one bad map

They just got shit on in breeze and read like a book on split
It’s not tenz’s fault when the whole team looked flat on those two map s

His rating for the entire tourney is 0.97, definitely not too 5 best players on the world or smth
Still a phenomenal player

Nah this time feels different first time Korean team in grand finals too

As well if u watched version1 u would note that he is a clean initiator and sentinel player, glad to see him get success

Texture moving like Aspas good on every duelist agent

People underrating him quite a bit while overrating Zekken
Just because he struggled on c9 when he was on controller, when he is a initiator sentinel flex

For sure
I gotta say people are underrating teams like sen and loud that thrive off teamwork though, I think they would do good in any year

Also people thinking they know more than a franchised pro
It is a complete difference between watching games and actually playing against teams and analyzing teams with professional coaches

I’ve heard really good teams sometimes anti start specific players
It prolly happens more with duelist but wouldn’t be surprised if sentinel noted Lesa’s tendencies and used it against him

The reason he used to be shit was cause one of his hands had limited mobility due to a car accident, and recently he fully gained mobility
Ever since that he’s been frying

It’s really annoying on defense but it isn’t that bad compared to breeze (retake simulator)

All the original maps are so good
I miss haven bruh that shit is so fun

Remove lotus and sunset while ur at it please
Bring back fucking haven

Haven
Ascent
Icebox
Pearl
Split
Bind
Sunset (I’m just good at it it’s a shit map)

Mako might be the goat, not as high peak as pancada or marved but unbelievably consistent

How is tenz so uncoordinated 😭