I agree with you there, you don’t need to be consistently good to have a good year, but to say that a team has been good all year =\ team has accomplished a lot this year

For an example, if sen failed to make champs last year, they would have still had a masters win in 2024 which is an accomplishment, but they wouldn’t have been good in all of 2024 since they only really played well 1/3rd of the year
But they would have had a good year

The top 4 at champs 23 might be the best top 4 ever Ngl
Fnatic, EG, loud, prx, every single one was a trophy winner and/or a finalist that year

I think I’ve not conveyed what I meant properly
I don’t mean it was a mid year, it was a great year, but they also weren’t good the whole year, if that makes sense

Can you call edg consistently good for a whole year if they got groups twice in a row then win?

You can say they overall achieved highly in 2024 since they won champs though

I didn’t say it was a bad year, but you can’t say they were good the whole year if they got grouped at two events in a row
They had 2 bad events, and then won the most important event. You decide what that means
I break it up as they were bad for the first 2/3rds insane for the last third

I think we have different definitions of good year
I don’t consider it a good year if you don’t make an avg too 4ish placement for the year

2024 isn’t a bad year for edg, but it’s a mid year if you look at the whole year
They have been the best team itw starting from champs until now since they are top 3 itw rn, so not yet a fulll good year I’m on

Na lans are good but timing for Asia is bad

So they were top 10 in 2023, grouped in Madrid and Shanghai, then won champs and they have been good for a year???
Bro your logic is all over the place

You are special needs if they think they are top 2 in 2023
In 2024, geng and edg were better….

5th-8th was due to the format being different, not due to skill
What event are u taking about in 22?
Edg are barely a top 10 team in 2023 brotha, stop with this agenda, they got first rounded in lock-in to fucking 100t mind you

They actually progress and develop as a team - and it’s just them being horrendously horseshit compared to their highs, buying put world champs mvps and still being shit, then finally doing somewhat good

What are we even talking about here dawg, they were the 3rd best team in 2021 and 2024 and were one of the worst tier 1 teams in 22-23

Fantastic crowds that even if they support one team will still cheer if the opp team makes a great play, good time zone for all, there’s a reason why Istanbul and Copenhagen are still considered fantastic events in 2025
Paris will be great but we need more events in Japan and eu, generally the best crowds

5th once isn’t good, we aren’t giving out participation points now, you were calling fnatic mid in 2021 and 2022 a post ago when they had a 2nd place, a 5-8th, a 4th and a 5th place. Have some logical consistency please.

Clearly your just very biased, so no point in discussing, sen have had far lower lows than their highs, zero consistency and are very clearly not the best team in valorant

They aren’t the best in 2024, geng are, they got GROUPED TWICE before winning champs
Also their highest placement was 5th in 2023, they weren’t good in 2023

Edg haven’t been good for a year yet
Fnatic made 2nd at Iceland 1, Iceland 2 they were missing half their roster
They have 2 back to back wins (more impressive than sens), came 4th at Copenhagen, 2nd at Iceland, 4th at champs 2023, 5th at champs 2022, won countless domestic trophies

Sen won Iceland 1, 8th at Berlin after farming f4q, grouped at champs, failed to even make Iceland, went 0-5 in split 2 and failed again to make Copenhagen, failed to win lcq, first rounded at lock-in, failed to make playoffs again domestically, got only one win at lcq 2023, won Madrid and Americas, immediately failed to even make split 1 domestic playoffs, bombed out of playoffs split 2 then made 4th at champs
They have had 3 good tourneys ever

Also sentinels are iconic since they aren’t that big outside of valo
Fnatic are so massive their success in valo doesn’t grow their brand as much, but if they were like sentinels then everyone would consider them iconic with valorant as well if that makes sense

The thing is, loud nrg and prx had two good years before they started struggling, and sentinels at their worst were going 0-5 in domestic group stage
Their low was so bad you had like 2 sen flairs in all of vlr

In 2023 seeing a sen flair was like seeing a tsm flair in 2022

What a horrendous take
Fnatic we’re good in 2021 and 2022 as well, edg literally got grouped twice in 2024, sen was horseshit domestically for two years didn’t make domestic playoffs for Shanghai and also bombed out champs 2021 and didn’t play well at Berlin

Mechanics are low key the hardest to improve at the highest level
Also edg just had some questionable plays and moments wouldn’t say Simon lost them that match
Besides peak g2 is really hard to beat

The weak streak was really really bad tho

Ik he was bad at 2022 Iceland, but I forgot the name of the domestic split tbh
Saya was insane at Iceland tho bring back my goat

Inhuman consistency, one series win away from his first mvp
2022 Iceland Trent is back!

Yukky…😢

Ik this is bait but it’s sad to see how far you have fallen yukky

I was definitely just insulting them for extra funny points but they are not good at casting hype moments, they just scream really loudly and you won’t see them make iconic calls the way pansy or brenshow can
Also they way the glaze players is so hard to listen, it’s like if pansy was casting fnatic players 24-7

If it’s real it would be fire

They are noticeably worse than all the others

Tom and Mitch man have to be the worst big time caster in valo, so hard to listen to each time, especially the squeaky one whenever he gets excited
Whenever they start getting excited or glaze it’s so cringe too
No hate tho ofc, casting is a lot harder than it looks

I’m not saying Aspas didn’t have impact, but pancada was most consistent, and he put up huge performances in the upper finals vs optic and first rd playoffs when they came back vs Leviatan, both crucial games
Then you had sacy dropped like 35 in the first map of grand finals when they had to come back a 12-9 score

I think part of the reason Aspas won mvp and got glazed was he was historically LOUDS best player, even if he wasn’t at that event

Also I feel duelists will always be more setup to make flashy plays

So fucking stupid, champs 2022 was literally his worst tournament 😂 arguably
Pancada was the overall mvp and I think sacy shoulda been fmvp

He ain’t even getting to the finals without smoggy and Chichoo low key carrying him there

Can’t wait for kk to aurafarm his way into another mvp, like when people were saying Aspas shoulda been champs mvp over sacy less or pancada

I think kk was fmvp and chichoo was tournament mvp
There isn’t a good argument for kk winning overall mvp

Kang kang is arguably their most consistent player but chichoo is usually better in international events

I was so pissed when he won champs mvp Ngl
FMvps and MVP are not the same thing but people don’t seem to understand

Please don’t rob this mf of his mvp this time, champs was already a generational performance from him

Huehuehyehushyeu
8/8

Zekken duelist might be better than narrate duelist overall, but we don’t know that his Jett is better than narrates
Also, Zekken being able to play secondary entry like tenz in 2024 will benefit him and allow him to be more consistent, it’s more for his benefit than because he is a bad duelist

John used to play init but his sentinel has always been better than his init, you would know if u watched him on ghost or m80

Ok tbf monkey noises might be a bit far, but that song has often been used to make fun of Indians in social media
It’s still a bit weird, and making a joke towards an Indian friend (when they know you don’t have malicious intent) is fine but fns is not that close with patitek which makes it weird
I can explain my take a bit more if you want

Tbf laughing at a racist joke towards someone your not really friends with is weird
If we were talking about a black person and someone make monkey noises and patitek started laughing it would be weird as well

Do I think he should lose his job? Hell no, he can certainly receive criticism

He certainly shouldn’t get cancelled but it’s valid for Indians to be mad at him imo

He is a good duelist though, and Zekken might be a hard carry if he is on a role that allows him to bait more
I think his sova is his best agent anyways

A big prt of their success last year was getting Johnqt but also moving roles around a little

I think they should consider role changes rather than dropping someone
Moving Zekken to initiator, Johnqt to sentinel, and narrate to duelist (raze on kc and played Jett in scrims and on mad lion) might be worth trying

Some people were calling him shit because he wasn’t putting up crazy numbers but he must have a lot of impact, t1 haven’t lost with him

Who y’all got winning? I thought Bivol won first, but I got artur this time

Fut is the worst culprit, because the others often fluke their way to internationals but fut genuinely are regionally dominant and internationally ass

Chichoo is mildly chubby and rest are all skinny twinks, are we talking about the same edg here?

Xeppaa and zellsis

Exactly, he is ashamed of his ethnicity
He calls himself Tanzanian even though only his nationality was tanzanian and he is now living in Canada