This is the problem with conversing online, you don't get tone. I was being sarcastic, lmao.

I'm not saying he would be a good duelist now necessarily. I'm just saying he does have some experience on it, is all.

Sen won, Geng won, and they're playing in the first round of champs.

I was kind of joking, but Shahz actually has a lot of games on Jett though.

If Saadhak can do it on raze, surely Shahz can do it on Jett. But yeah, he doesn't really play Jett anymore though.

Yeah, and Jett lol.

Aproto would be a good pickup though because he can play either sentinel or controler.

I think OXG wins ascension though so I didn't include anyone from that roster. Also, Marved is definitely better aproto let's be real.

That's a fair point about Victor and Marved, but Shahz is a better fragger than all those t2 igls except Zander. Also, his history with OXY and Immi is there which is why I feel like he fits better. Maybe that relationship goes the opposite way though, idk.

Saadhak is the main caller for LOUD, and idk if I'd count Less as an igl. He's more of a secondary caller, and nature isn't on 100t. Realistically, KRU only made playoffs because of their stage 1, but at the end of the season, EG was the better team.

I really think you can't say that the KRU igls are clearly better than nature. The only igls I'd be willing to give you are kingg and Saadhak, for the rest it's a debate.

You listed kingg and saadhak, less doesn't really count. And even if he does count, it's still just igls from two teams anyway.

Also, I guess I never responded to your point about Kru's igl, which has gone back and forth between Melser and Klaus, but for a rookie igl I don't think nature is that far off them.

Runi has been good for C9 though, there's definitely a good argument for keeping him.

Except in Valorant LATAM and Brazil are separate regions that's why I had to specify SA. Lmao

OXY is a must
Runi/moose can go either way, depending on the vision of the long-term roster
xeppaa and vanity need to go.

IMO (assuming you can get all the players):
OXY
Shahzam
corey
Victor
Marved

Of course there's always the option of getting more players from T2, that's also a good way to rebuild.

Bruh, that's crazy, you spent all this time trying to prove me wrong on my point and then just gave up lmao.

What does this have to do with my nature point? And also I specified the whole of SA, not just LATAM.

Bro my point is going way over your head fucking it's crazy. You're just picking all the best igls in Americas and saying this rookie igl isn't on their level. Yeah no shit bro, that's why I said most.

Obviously, he's not the best igl in Americas, but in terms of his ability as igl and as a reflection of T2 NA, I think he's good.

Wait that's mb because I meant to say SA, not LATAM, but not all igls latam produced are even in T1 anyway.

Congrats bro you can't read because I said most, not all.

I know they aren't up and coming anymore. I just used them as an example to show NA t2 can produce good igls.

Nature can actually frag though, especially towards the beginning of the year, he was the only one fragging for EG. He's not an insane igl by any means but he's better than most igls SA has produced.

It doesn't matter where johnqt is from he's a product of NA t2, and Valyn has played the majority of his time in NA t2 as well, or at least against a lot of players currently in NA t2.

Honestly valid, KR has a lot of talent depth.

I lowkey forgot about nature, but yeah he's underrated too.

Wdym no good igls? Look at both the top two ascension igls year: johnqt - masters winner, valyn - placed top 3 in a masters.

Flyuh, stellar, mitch, and zander are all good igls.

Icl NA got insane talent depth alone. I'm making a full English NA roster.

Ah yes, a classic in the anti-prx camp. It's nothing new lol.

I really don't see why this matters at all. They had their chance to qualify and couldn't do it.

That's what makes it more interesting though. They have to find other ways to convey Omen's emotions, through things like body language, noises, and of course his actions.

I think they did a decent job in the Episode 6 cinematic Revelation. It makes me believe they are capable of writing Omen in such a way that we're still able to connect with him even after his Omen form.

Idk about the plot, but Omen's backstory is by far the most interesting. It would be nice to see them delve into it some more.

He was on NSIC for challengers qualifiers but didn't make it. Idk if that counts, but I feel like was definitely considered a T2 player at the time.

This is the problem though because I although agree he's very good his stage 1 and stage 2 weren't that good, at least in comparison with other players on this list. I will say he has delivered internationally so maybe deserves a spot.

I honestly did not realize how good kingg has been across this year, but I find it a little hard to argue he's better than anyone on this list.

I get all this, but TenZ and zekken have literally been among the best players in every event they've played in this year. I can't see many duos being that consistent.

That's a fair point, but I think zekken is a little more consistent than Chronicle.

First off, KangKang wasn't on his list. Second, I think zekken is massively underrated in terms of the impact he has. I get it though if people don't think he's that good.

Woot is overrated in my opinion though, but kingg is a fair point he has been pretty good this year. I just don't know who I'd switch him with on this list. Valyn is good as well, but I wasn't factoring in igling into account.

This is a crazy take icl, Mazino is good fs, but this gotta be SEN hating. Like for what reason is that duo better than TenZ and zekken?

I wanted to put MaKo on this list, but the form he's in while igling isn't the best, and Flashback while good, I don't think has done enough to warrant being on this list. Karon, I'll give you fs, he's definitely up there as one of the best.

I disagree, sure they lost a couple of games at the end of stage 2, but some of their players have put up good numbers across the whole year. They have had good enough numbers to be considered as top players.

That's fair enough, TenZ hasn't had a super high peak this year. I just put him higher up because he's been so consistently good this year. I think that deserves points over high peaks in my opinion.

I'll take him off if you can give me a solid reason why he's not a top-10 player right now.

I saw TMV's top 10 and thought it would be fun to do my own. I think this is a pretty fair list based on this year, but it's still super close between a lot of players. I'd honestly expect most of you to disagree with this list in some way, which is fine. Let me know your thoughts, and drop your top 10 at champs 2024.

1. Aspas
2. Texture
3. zekken
4. Karon
5. Chronicle
6. TenZ
7. Alfajer
8. Forsaken
9. Sayf
10. d4v41

Update: kingg, Mako, Woot, Meteor maybe deserve a spot. zekken is maybe a little high, and Sayf/Alfa is too low.
This is super difficult icl

It's a fine song, but there's just not much hype or energy to it. Riot could do better IMO, but not a bad song though.

Nah group C is easier, DRX and KRU are still good teams. FNC is just in good form right now, and winning two games seems likely given their group.

I never said necessarily that they'd win convincingly, just that both games are winnable. That being said, a good-form PRX wins both games cleanly.

They aren't losing to FUT, but I suppose it's possible EDG beats them. They've played a lot before.

Not a fan, but FNC is pretty well situated to make it out of groups. People seem pretty high on FNC right now, probably because of their history, but I'm a little doubtful they'll make it past the top 6.

I don't, I think G2 is one of the worst matchups for PRX. G2 won't peek or play into PRX style of play. Luckily they got FUT and EDG, two very beatable teams for them.

Bro, he's a good controller, maybe a little inconsistent but he's still good. Also, he has insane chemistry with PRX and often doesn't need to be a super high fragger. In my opinion, there's no need to get rid of him unless PRX starts collapsing as a team.

It's possible a few games in the group stage might be that early, but most of the tournament won't.