He can't go to a team that will guaranteed make him look worse lmao

Yeah, I think EDG played better as well, but SEN won two maps so they're ahead of them in the stats :/

Also, it p a i n e d me to put BLG above DRG because of how poorly BLG played this tournament, but they did technically win a map when DRG didn't so :/

s0m was in a good position to win that round anyways even if he didn't get the collat, besides that though, even though they went 3-3 in series count MIBR honestly played insane, they were a real contender at this tournament

It kinda fucked up the formatting but it's still readable I guess

People seemed to like this when I did it last year, so I decided to do it again, albeit a bit late this time. Here is a complete compilation of all the stats and placements for each team and region at the tournament!

Rank Team Series Map Round

1. NRG 6-0 13-4 209-168 +41
2. FNC 5-2 13-9 233-220 +13
3. DRX 5-3 13-9 246-231 +15
4. PRX 4-2 9-7 184-172 +12
5. MIBR 3-3 9-6 186-144 +42
6. TH 3-2 7-5 127-129 -2
7. G2 2-3 6-6 139-129 +10
8. GX 2-3 6-7 121-140 -19
9. T1 1-2 2-4 69-79 -10
10. XLG 1-2 2-5 72-85 -13
11. RRQ 1-2 2-5 60-77 -17
12. TL 1-2 2-5 64-84 -20
13. SEN 0-2 2-4 58-68 -10
14. EDG 0-2 1-4 58-61 -3
15. BLG 0-2 1-4 36-59 -23
16. DRG 0-2 0-4 41-57 -16

Amer Avg Rank: 1, 5, 7, 13 = 6.5
EMEA Avg Rank: 2, 6, 8, 12 = 7
PAC Avg Rank: 3, 4, 9, 11 = 6.75
CN Avg Rank: 10, 14, 15, 16 = 13.75

(Here's to hoping VLR doesn't fuck up the formatting of this post when I click Submit Thread)

EG picked up Apoth for the main roster for 2024, we don't count them, they'll pick up anyone

His confidence is another massive W in his favor tbh, you're 100% correct that his confidence would help bring a LOT of value to a team that needs it

I can see it. At the same time, I think Babybay (even though his time on the team was short) never had a series where it looked like he was just deadweight, other than his very first game back against Sen. As he continued, he only looked better and better. Meanwhile Icy and Tex DEFINITELY had moments where they looked like real deadweight on G2 (especially Icy.) I would say that overall Babybay looked mechanically better than Icy when Icy was on G2, and definitely looks smarter than Tex on Sentinel. I think there's a possibility the reason that Icy and Tex looked so good is because they were on duelist and had a literal god tier team behind them to help set them up, while in Babybay's case, he had to be much smarter than either of those two had to be while playing the sentinel role for them

I mean, I wouldn't count out EMEA either, did you see KOI and FUT this year? They need HELP

After seeing his performance with G2 during Stage 2, what are everybody's real thoughts on him? Personally, I think that after his showing there could be a real chance he actually gets picked up by a different tier 1 team next year. I think he looked like he could fill the sentinel role extremely well, and still had the mechanical talent to put up numbers and clips when his team needed him to, despite not playing professionally for around two years. I'm curious to hear what other people think about him, and the predictions of who might be looking to pick him up if you think he will get picked up.

Skuba is actually trying to deadlift this team all on his own this map, I s2g

I didn't watch this game bc I was working but holy fucking choke, all 3 maps?????????????? Lev choke first map, C9 choke second, and then Lev again choke 3rd????? neither of these teams should be here

I called it 4 months too early, rip

How did this team go from 3/48 to 48/48

PRX did it before Toronto, and look where they are now lol

Also, Zellsis IS the vibe merchant, and having the vibe merchant also be your IGL can actually help carry your team through some tough situations, as SiuFatBB proved during Wolves' Toronto run

There's a chance the solution here might be to drop JohnQT, move Zellsis to Initiator/IGL, and pick up a new senti player. We know Zellsis' mid rounding capabilities are actually fantastic, and genuinely a very important part of their teams success. IMO, JohnQT hasn't been calling the greatest rounds this year, and he also hasn't been putting up the greatest numbers recently either, so I think giving Zellsis a chance as the main IGL and allowing him to focus more on the calling and being a part of the main hit, while bringing in a cracked senti player to be a site anchor and lurk could actually help bring the team success. Bang also does need to be a bit more aggressive, but old 100T showed that he IS capable of that, I just think that the system that 100T ended up going with by the time Bang left, really beat the aggressiveness out of him, and he just needs to unlearn that.

This is all just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions, but I truly think this at least deserves a thought

WE'VE CONQUERED ALL OF CHINA 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 WE'RE NEVER GONNA STOP 🛑🛑🛑 FROM TORONTO 🇨🇦 TO PARIS 🇫🇷 WE'LL WIN THE FUCKING LOT 🏆🏆🏆
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AND WHEN WE WIN IN PARIS 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 WE'LL SAY IT WAS FORETOLD 🗣️🗣️🗣️THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD 🌍🌎🌏 THE BOYS IN BLACK AND GOLD 🐺🐺🐺
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WE'VE CONQUERED ALL OF CHINA 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 WE'RE NEVER GONNA STOP 🛑🛑🛑 FROM TORONTO 🇨🇦 TO PARIS 🇫🇷 WE'LL WIN THE FUCKING LOT 🏆🏆🏆
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AND WHEN WE WIN IN PARIS 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 WE'LL SAY IT WAS FORETOLD 🗣️🗣️🗣️THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD 🌍🌎🌏 THE BOYS IN BLACK AND GOLD 🐺🐺🐺
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WE'VE CONQUERED ALL OF CHINA 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 WE'RE NEVER GONNA STOP 🛑🛑🛑 FROM TORONTO 🇨🇦 TO PARIS 🇫🇷 WE'LL WIN THE FUCKING LOT 🏆🏆🏆
ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊ ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊ ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊ ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊
AND WHEN WE WIN IN PARIS 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 WE'LL SAY IT WAS FORETOLD 🗣️🗣️🗣️THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD 🌍🌎🌏 THE BOYS IN BLACK AND GOLD 🐺🐺🐺
ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊ ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊ ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊ ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ ✊✊✊

Legit, his reactions are the absolute best when Wolves are playing, especially all the chants

Forsaken might be THE best flex player of all time. Even though they lost this series, Forsaken put on an amazing performance while playing every role at least once during this series, and I just think that's absolutely insane

EG have the opportunity to do the funniest fucking thing today

You guys are forgetting that G2 are about to get knocked out by EG (I'm coping)

Holy shit Yay is back

Is anyone else just really sad to see it? He seemed like such a likeable person when you would see clips of him on stage, if not a little nervous, but he had the right to be nervous back then as a rookie player in champions, so I don't think anyone saw that as an issue back then. With the way it sounds like he's acting now I can absolutely understand why EDG are dropping him. It's 100% deserved, but idk man, it just makes me sad still, I used to think it was such a good iteration of the team with him on it.

I fucking l o v e the tangents they go on lmao

Check out TMV and Sideshow's co streams, they're generally pretty funny

Actually didn't know he was injured tbh

They kicked Yoman off the team, what do you think the chances are that GenG pulls a C9 and resigns Lakia?

I mean, no matter what she looks like the best player on Apeks already, so why not support her? If Apeks were good enough to make it into tier 1 through Ascension and she is now looking like the best player on that roster since being signed, I'd say she deserves to be in Tier 1.

From the end of the second map of XLG to the beginning of the 2nd map of this series, EDG won 32 rounds in a row.

Holy fucking shit

I'm fairly sure this is the largest round win streak in the history of tier 1 valorant

Please Furia, just bring back the sub roster

P L E A S E, come take this Yoru away from Zekken

How the fuck did this happen

ClowNRG

This squad is doing better early season than anything Furia has ever put together before lmao

edit: IN FRANCHISING, I don't remember much about pre franchising Furia. Don't kill me Brazilians :)

The more exciting game is Less vs Saadhak in EMEA rn, who tf wants to watch Furia with 5 subs vs 2G lmao

NRG probably made the right decision for them with Bonkar yes, but there's no way we're gonna call Potter an overrated coach. Her ideas helped turn EG from the laughing stock of the Americas into the literal world champions. She definitely wasn't the entire reason, but she was a huge part of it, and I would say what happened to Demon1 in 2024 is the biggest example of my point. Demon1 looked nowhere near as good on NRG because the coaching wasn't anywhere near as good (the IGLing wasn't as good either, but I don't wanna put too much blame on Ethan as a first time IGL, with Chet's tenure coaching in CS and Val, he 100% should've been able to form Ethan into a better IGL than he was), but this illustrates that you can't JUST have good players, and you need to have top tier coaching too if you actually want to win championships. The reason EG succeeded in 2023 wasn't just because of the players, but also because Potter is genuinely a top tier coach. We could also talk about how Potter couldn't really succeed in 2024, but when the team has fucking Apoth it's pretty much a 4v5, so I don't really think that's her fault either lmao

Resigning Beyn and dropping Athan after two months is honestly a much less questionable decision than it was to drop Beyn and sign Athan in the first place lol. Good move imo, basically saying "oops, we fucked up with that one, we're fixing it"

nah, you're trolling right? There's no way you call the super sub Patitek mid. Dude came into TH for Shanghai without practicing with them for a month and helped take them to second place in an international. I see why nobody in this thread actually takes you seriously

This is part of my thought process too. Trust in Plug recently beat 100T but didn't even make the playoffs of this event

I mean, I'd say they've beat some pretty good tier 2 NA teams considering that they're in the grand finals of the playoffs, haven't lost a series, and have only lost 3 maps.

Who would win? One of the worst VCT teams of all time or Rankers?

If anyone is interested in the team stats for the whole tournament, here they are!!

Team Series Map Round Seed

1. EDG 6/1 14/7 247/202 +45 CHN #1
2. TH 6/2 15/10 288/264 +24 EMEA #3
3. LEV 4/3 11/7 205/202 +3 AMER #1
4. SEN 4/3 10/7 187/174 +13 AMER #4
5. DRX 3/2 7/5 129/109 +20 PAC #2
6. FNC 3/3 7/7 151/142 +9 EMEA #1
7. G2 2/2 4/5 93/107 -14 AMER #2
8. TE 2/2 4/6 95/113 -18 CHN #3
9. KRU 1/2 4/4 78/78 +/- 0 AMER #3
10. VIT 1/2 3/4 75/76 -1 EMEA #2
11. GENG 1/2 3/4 75/78 -3 PAC #1
12. PRX 1/2 3/4 68/72 -4 PAC #3
13. FPX 0/2 1/4 51/64 -13 CHN #2
14. FUT 0/2 0/4 36/52 -16 EMEA #4
15. TLN 0/2 0/4 33/52 -19 PAC #4
16. BLG 0/2 0/4 26/52 -26 CHN #4

AMER - 3, 4, 7, 9 - AVG Place - 5.75
PAC - 5, 11, 12, 15 - AVG Place - 10.75
EMEA - 2, 6, 10, 14 - AVG Place - 8
CHN - 1, 8, 13, 16 - AVG Place - 9.5

I was rooting for SEN up until this point, but now I need to see EDG shut Boostio the fuck up and win China their first ever champs. Let's fucking go EDG, make history fucking happen

I swear to god every time I put faith in a team they turn to shit man

It's not gonna be an edited this time, if they somehow lose this after absolutely stomping them in the upper finals just know I'm gonna be upset LMAO.

If you told me this would be the matchup when playoffs started, I would've said LEV all the way

Now though, G2 are probably taking this. Looking at their last 6 series, they have not only won all 6 series, they have won on all 7 maps in the pool in those 6 series. G2 are looking like a s c a r y team right now as a team, especially when they have no permaban AND ban advantage in the grand finals

Edit: Hold up, I might be wrong about the every map in the pool thing, I was counting split and I'm remembering that might be the map that left the pool, gimme a moment to look at everything again lmao

2nd Edit: They ABSOLUTELY be perma banning Sunset at the moment and only playing the other 6 maps. Still, with ban advantage they still absolutely look scary

Ethan
Demon1
Jawgemo
s0m
FNS
Potter

Tell me this team wouldn't cook if this became NRG next year. With the rumors of Chet leaving back for counterstrike, Crashies and Victor may leave as well, and I think that creates the perfect opportunity for Demon1 to come back in, and Potter could come, bringing Jawgemo with her, and coach an EG core with two fantastic OG members of NRG as well. There's definitely enough flex capability in the roster for Potter to move roles around per map like she likes to do, and Potter and FNS' minds together could most likely create some of the most insane strats we've seen yet