Is there more to it than young like young man reflexes or is it emulating the american rappers lil ___?

I think its mostly South Americans like spikezin, artizin, dgzin, mazin. Is there meaning to why people have zin in their names like an old-school clan tag?

Whos igl on this team as well

Respect to RRQ and MIBR for having to play 3 bo5 in the span of a week (aspas also recovering from a surgery and jemkin recovering from a broken back /j, get well soon)

fnatic are just so cold at the start, it feels like ranked play when they are always getting man advantages but losing rounds

In terms of players not roles, got it

I thought you were going for a 1:1, fns:alfa

Its so braindead how connections and legacy got this guy a job.

Hopefully he doesnt keep mibr in the past as well. I want to see competition from a "superteam"

fnatic has a sentinel that can shoot LOL (no hate to fns the goat)

Actual shame, feels like frod is 2 years late when it comes to comp.

Whatever work he does outside the game, must be heavenly to keep him in his position.

Actually sad, hope he gets another spot on a t1 team

Someone said to put aspas on chamber, which might work if they replicate RRQ in comps (in term of qualifying, maybe opposite rrq)

They seemed like friends for a while and its cool to see that they got to play on the same team. I just hope they can build some chemistry or find their own identity, and look somewhat competitive in future splits

I remember xenom looked like a great rookie during kickoff and just fell off completely without a trace. I guess I know who to blame it on

Stop playing support and ask his team for more deep angles. It might be confirmation bias, but every time I see zekken on defense he is playing support angles where he can't do much. A player who is known for their talent on aggressive agents is waiting to blind front B on haven instead of playing somewhere like A long or C long, ready to get his and tp out. Im pretty sure he got caught with blind in hand on one of today's maps because he was trying to support others when he could support himself and get kills for his team.

Anyone could make the argument that zekken should play double duelist or entry or whatever. BUT IF he is playing the controller role then I assume he should be trying to play an agressive controller role like tenz did on sentinels. Tenz often had his teammates help him get an angle, he went for his own timings to get kills, and he supported his team when he had to. It's why we saw a bunch of tenz clips in 2024, and a key component to their win in madrid.

Someone who has more ball knowledge either:
-tell me that he does play aggressive angles on omen and I didnt pay watch the games close enough or
-agree with me that mibr should let him use his gun more than he uses his blind

11-8 was the first round he had the op on defense

Watching the round, I dont blame aspas for that considering they had a 5v4 retake and 3 people still lived. It was a headshot angle and he was double swung. Later in the round, Cauanzin went knife out when he had ample time and his teammates were making pressure for his flank (flanking as initiator too).

I think the biggest throws are the man advantages that loud found themselves in constantly but lost the round anyways like 11-11 when alfajer killed aspas with knives who was jumping for Cauanzin and Cauanzin running him down with a classic instead of reloading the stinger.

Was it icebox? Because on 11-3 he was left in a 1v2 retake and died dashing top site

Can someone clip the aspas whiff. I wanna see if it was actually bad

20% of your fans are annoying on vlr, but damn it sucks to see Mazino not make santiago.

On another note,
Can someone explain how zekken plays omen? becausse I feel like he was playing support the whole time like on Haven he just played to blind B main on defense. I hope he gets supported like how tenz was supported on controller

Praying for a speedy recovery for aspas and gl next split

Personally forsaken is my goat for playing basically every agent to a pro level. But if people are trying to compare chronicle vs aspas, I have to argue the belief that a player is only as good at winning a game because they are playing well statistically compared to their team.

Honestly I hope this debate just ends, because its objectively stupid. Everyone has a different definition for the goat of valorant, and everyone is comparing players that play different roles.

LOL they did, good catch. Both the goats went 0-2 in different events is crazy. I wanted to emphasize the fact that MIBR left the venue which was disrespectful for fans and the staff.

It's far easier to put up good stats and performances when you are surrounded by elite talents because the focus is never on you>

Isnt it the opposite? There is less competition for stats when you are better than your team, so you should have the higher stats. If you have to compete against players like alfajer, derke, nats, leo, then of course your stats will be less.

And there is a problem of comparing the stats of duelists and sentinels (both roles that should take most of the first engagements on both atk and def) to initiators and support. When chron is on viper, he is able to play timings for himself through lurks and hold a site with his util. Compared to when he is on initiators like sova breach and kayo, when he is creating openings for his teammates and playing retake with his util.

So not only does aspas have less star players to compete against on his own team, he is on a role that allows him to play for himself if he needs to

So is aspas making his own team to be worse them himself while chron is actively looking for teams that he can support to be the star players like derke, alfa, leo?

Or is aspas choosing players that cant win an international and disbands the team immediately every year, while chron has had 1 team that won an international but forced to disband because of russia complications, and then joined another team that has won 2 internationals and that he stayed with for 3 years only to join a team with one of his former teammates?

Or is aspas just having fun and playing with the people he wanted to play with like nzr, verno, coach frod, zekken, mazino, and tex?

I might not be able to name every event chron was the best player on his team, but I can name an event where aspas's team was the WORST of all the teams. MIBR is the only team I have heard of who left right after an international match, 0-2 shanghai and left without the post-match conference.

lol outrageous

It'd help if you double check things before posting something, especially when you are being rude to someone else. I'll apologize for being rude, so do some due diligence next time please. Buen dia

Average "chronicle is the goat" explanation:
-Wins the most titles, has more top # appearances, plays all the roles, has higher average rating internationally than aspas, 2nd highest earning (Ethan has 1st as of champion 26)

Average "aspas is the goat" explanation:
SO GoOD, ACE ACE ACE, VAMOS GIRA ASPAS, SHITS ON CHRONCON, I CANT WIN WITH MY TEAM BECAUSE I MADE MY OWN TEAM

Its turning from comical to sad at this point. Surely there is another explanation that aspas hasnt won an international since Loud 22.

Dont worry about this guy. Most aspas fans cant read

XLG and G2 did the same thing in their years. Boom esports went 5-0 in stage 1 for APAC. I guess these ascension teams got to tier 1 for a reason, but we'll see how well they adapt to everyone adapting to them in the other stages.

G2
SEN
MIBR

VIT
TL
TH

T1
GENG
PRX

EDG
WOL
TE

Just gonna say Buzz because I want to tilt at least 1 person that might be a buzz fan.
The problem with this debate is that someone who is trash is bumped off and so there are very few who have both longevity and performance. Like Urango, Jessievash, Palla are my candidates for this year.

And this isnt the worst offender. The EMEA fans have to deal with tech pauses that delay the games for a different day

Just finished the second map. It felt like I was watching street basketball when someone gets tapped, misses, THEN calls foul. I would have tilted if I had to play 2 more rounds on a map that should have been won already. Riot please fix game

NRG vs KRU Haven
EG vs LOUD Ascent

What do you think happens when a team has to change their roster for the upcoming year. Let me explain this so a 5 year old can understand.
Lev last year didnt make madrid, picked it up after practice and team building, and got top 3 in Champs 2024
Lev this year didnt do so well at the start, picked up 2 rookies, and were two series away from making champs 2025

Mibr picked up aspas, didnt do so well at the start (losing instantly in toronto as well), got verno to igl, and made champs 2025
These two teams became contenders through honing skills and making adjustments.

They BOTH had to change their rosters, make adjustments, and performed well. If you dont think that lev was a top tier team in 2025, then I will remind you that MIBR barely made champs as the 4th seed. This discussion would probably not exist if kru beat lev and made champs instead of mibr.

The roster bro, I heard he made the roster like nzr and frod when he joined like I said he made the team when he joined thats what I heard.

Your goat played the same 3 agents for 5 years straight. Well done. I guess that helps players like eggsterr in ranked. Unlucky he couldnt win it out because 2 decent duelists is better than the best duelist. What a pity. Chronicle is in the top 3 because he is getting carried, fair fair. Beat mibr ending with a 1v3 clutch last map last round by Chronicle. Beating the last champions in Paper rex with a sub was luck too. I like this reasoning, very simple. My eyes have been opened and I have been enlightened

Didnt aspas make the mibr team when he joined? He chose to snatch verno when he was a free agent? And he was in a top tier team, his team managed to get top 3 in champs (Lev and Loud)?

Why do people not see the game like this? Compare aspas with other duelists like kajaak or buzz, not a flex player with different jobs.

Did you just link 3 series with aspas losing?
...
LOL

You can see the steam coming out of the aspas riders when they saw this post

Would they have a language barrier or did they all knew English that year

They are very quiet when he isnt playing, if only kru didnt choke I would find peace during all 3 internationals.

ASPAS IS THE GREATEST DUELIST OF ALL TIME STOP TRYING TO COMPARE HIM TO CHRONICLE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES
CHRONICLE'S LIFETIME RAZE STATS HAS BETTER ACS THAN ASPAS ALL TIME RAZE LOLO
THESE GOAT DEBATE POSTS ARE RAGEBAIT AT SOME POINT

When you are playing agents like skye, harbor and KayO, its hard to get stand out clips since your util is all support. He destroyed Kru on omen haven recently.

If Nava or giantx beats TL in losers, heretics makes it right? (Edit: I understand it now, Liquid needs to make grands so it'll be fnc/th on points, and tl/??? in grand finals)

Team "Want to get into ProCity"
Hamy
Prod
A2Guapo
Picklespear
Dasnerth

Team "Current bottom 5 ProCity players in leaderboard"
Jerwin
Traded
Victor
Misu
Oke

Winner gets/stays in ProCity
Reminder: Picklespear, Hamy and Prod all played in premier this act

How can they perform well when they had to learn to play without spike for 1 split then come back with spike in a group with g2 and sentinels? But surely they can talk more about champs and sentinels rather than 2G and being relegated. Balance it out or something, yk?

I swear these casters when they keep on talking about how this is 2G's last series and they can soak it in, I feel frustration. After a while, I think the audience can put 2 and 2 together and figure out that this is a sad moment for 2G, just let them play and cast the game and not what their next 5 years will look like

apeks and gentle mates get relegated and the top 2 ascension teams (the grand finals) go to t1 next year

I was out getting groceries. Please tell me (and then share) that there was some Urango highlights or anyone else from Furia. Love them play, is like watching your kids play little league

Name a player that has played tier 1 and kept a 1.1 rating and wasnt cheating. Braindead claim "Cant perform in this era". He was 2nd highest rated in bangkok, unless you meant post tejo nerf era then sure you got it bro. Good ragebait man

Fnatic crashies said abc during the last round of fracture against liquid. They also say bingo and tikki taka, but I am pretty sure bingo is when all the players are accounted for (dont worry about flank)