Yeah Ig It’s a similar role but leaf has had similar performances on LAN like Zekken did this past champions ngl, still I agree zekken would have been insane

It means he’s not the player I would chose if I could so I don’t put it in there cause it’s not like “perfect core” imo

Leaf can be insane as flex tho, can’t think of many better, not sure how much better FNS is than Vanity tbh, at least he frags more, and about Xeppa he’s kinda there Ig xD

No I didn’t, I just don’t like him as much, just a personal preference

Nah but Mwzera (trembo alert) and heat have great relationship with KRU players, and jokes aside they’re def tier 1 still

Scary ngl, yay, vanity, leaf is deadly core

Um yeah, either NA or leftovers from LEV or BR players tbh, Klaus English is good I guess his Portuguese too so yeah good possibilities Ig

Yeah I agree, all we know is that it’s not a deportivo decision to bench Keznit and that we won’t see them together again any time soon

Rumours are Mazino to Lev and Kru rebuilding around Klaus. Lev looking scary ngl

Really hope so, do you think NA orgs would take him tho? Maybe an EG or something? I mean if he was willing to learn and move Spanish orgs would 100% sign him

Yeah but in the past they were laughing at it, rn it’s either true or Keznit deserves an oscar

I actually agree Keznit is absolutely insane and at least paired with Alfajer, but when I say his English is bad I mean he knows like 5 words

I wish but Br is definitely not gonna pick him up, Lev is not gonna pick him up, and then NA or EMEA it’s really up to him and if he wants to spend the next 5 months learning English cause his level is horrible rn

I mean yes and no, we don’t know what the fight was but you don’t have to be a genius to know there was one

Yeah ofc if you see his Twitter he’s clearly throwing indirects to his teammates, apparently he’s had a big fight with Mazino and Leazo that’s just rumor but the fact that there was a fight is for sure. So yeah, he kinda fucked rn

They were good during ignition series stuff but we're not gonna count it. Then they signed Prodigy with Happy, Pipson, hoody, delezyh and Luzuh then got Fiti, Boo, Molsi, Meddo davidp, and the rosters shuffled creating a team that had great success in EMEA, doing great in RedBull and almost qualifying for a masters (1 game away).

Lost the players to G2 and then signed a tier 2 roster that did great too tbh, like they lost in Playoffs of VRL because russ wasn't able to make it but they were definitely contenders.

What I'm trying to say is how many great unknown players has Giants scouted? Hoody, Boo, Molsi, Fiti, Monster, Meddo (trusted him after being dropped from FPX and actually there was a moment where giants was better than FPX), Davidp (Trusted him after doing horrible with Excel and doing great)

I definitely wouldn't say all they have had have been failures

Well, that is totally fair then, just poor Will didn't get the chance

Yeah no, that's not how it works, plus they're already making changes

Idk, just specifying it's different cases idc where you put them :)

What kind or argument is that teams took a while to heat up, what does that have to do with the IGL's? They've improved since then, that's a good thing and yeah sure 100T has great chemistry but they have like 5 months to build it again, setting the celling of the team higher

Um, just to specify, Leo and chronicle have parched with FNC yeah, but so has other people same with Twisten. There's a difference between those and LEV Mazino, he has an actual offer on the table that we know of

I like dephh, Eu pride

FNS, Dephh, valyn, and yes Zander, but if you don't wanna count it then the other 3

Because there is simply better talent available now

Yeah no, stellar is definitely not a better fragger

Do think they should drop stellar

Ikr

Apparently they succeed way too often xD

Ah yes, because FPX made franchising, or wait? Did an EMEA org save the roster while any NA orgs want to pick the whole OPTC up? How's that Riot's fault?

Well you don't really have to worry about the USA, you should be good

That's more up to Magnum Ig

KRU kinda fucked rn nal specially since MAZINO has a LEV offer too. It wasn't their fault to bench Keznit, team is internally broken so we will see how they get out of this one

Oh Yeah Ik, I meant more like I hope it wasn't anything like friends being drafted or like it actually starting to directly affect (family friends etc). Ofc being a Russian rn it's not easy

Also https://www.twitch.tv/caseesports_tv

I mean Rugby requires bigger physical strength that's like a fact, the single fact that you can't pass the ball forward makes the whole team to actually have to run the whole field every time

Hopefully is nothing war related

What did he exactly do

Yeah Yeah Ik, but they signed him to save the spot, they saw that the team wasn't working and that they were gonna lose their spot so they signed Magnum to help them save it, they pulled the wallet. It was more of a last minute thing Ig, still keeping him it's an option for them

Babysasuke I'm having a civilized debate here, don't interrupt thanks

No I didn't just told you I wasn't trying to refute, just told you it would be dumb for any NA org to pick Ardis or any EMEA player but not because of Cryo being better than ardis, just because of the NA EMEA rivalry.

About being toxic. He complained about the decision yeah but isn't that fair? I don't think it was right and many people agree, sets a horrible precedent. I feel like he is in his right to say his opinion about it is not like he attacked XSET as far as I know

I was talking about "Looks like the worst team in Emea. Aside from trexx"

Anyway, I'm sure there will be definitely many way better teams than this I don't like Magnum either. Even tho is not like he has gotten many opportunities he got into FNC and he did great for a while then got dropped and signed by a VRL team, wouldn't say that's too good, he has been fucked by the meta imo, he was a good sentinel but he can't Op so Chamber killed him.

About Mixwell, well I think we both agree on what we think about him, even tho Trexx, Kolda, Keznit, another top player and Mix is good roster, as long he goes to support.

And yeah overall don't like this roster but it's definitely not the worst in EMEA definitely better than full turk rosters without cned or Alfajer

There is not a single EMEA player that would be better for branding of an NA org, rivalry exists, this being said you definitely do not know ardiis, so stop assuming you do, judge the rest of the thing but don't get in there

Ardis is like the nicest guy ever what do you even mean, just say you don't know him just seen him be mad right after a game when he didn't even know the full story, and even while mad he was funny af

Wdym big failures? Giants has done great so far dude, what roster has been a failure? I actually think the opposite, I think they have great judgement and I feel like they see something in him we don't yet

Why is not everyone fluent in English then? It's really not that easy, when say he doesn't speak English I mean hello/goodbye

The problem is I don't think they consider a risk, they consider fiti a diamond

That's not how it works xD

You know they kicked Cloud and ssk from navi a while ago right?

But FPX always end up in the final parts so doesn't apply

Do you realize if that happens there is a high chance your sun doesn’t even play that role so you’re fucked af anyway. Still why would any decent player accept to throw their career away by just agreeing to sit bench