Dude reported himself joining a team kekw. Sergio rap god would actually rock the timeouts if this wasn't bait

Anonimotum has Asian info now? Dang

They are gonna be, but invited, not qualified

They didn’t qualify for it tho

You’re waiting for not even qualify for the next lan.

I’m sorry but I can’t avoid the amount of Kr players compared to the number of NA players being so funny xD

Imagine dropping 36 and still losing ouch

<3

Very weird since nutable is such a nice guy that always respects everyone and does not insult ever!

Dude if ardiis is better than cNed is definitely not because he can flex, ardiis is an aim best but he is the most similar thing you can get to a Scream but Oping, tries to flex but has a horrible utility usage.

I’m still traumatized with his Sova

Can’t say it before seeing how Mazin IGL’s, you can easily be like a TL or a G2 2.0

Who does Germany flex, at least we have Kolda

Agree ngl, but Nivera was an insane Awper in CS and Chamber just fits him so much, plus xms is flexible af so idk

Does that mean he’s worse than Zino or Afox kekw. Tomaszy is the best one imo and he still needs a lot of time

He needs to go back to Oping

Just give it time, games are not eternal, we do not know what can will happen.

Still, as long as it is a quarter of what CS is it’s more than enough

This is so good, scene needs to grow asap, Rusia is already a top 3 country in the world and the game is nothing like what CS is there

Because it’s Common Rito W

Lmao, teams disbanded so players could do the tryouts in the new orgs where everyone was in equal conditions since those orgs did not have rosters already, LVP choose orgs by finger yes, but you can't compare Saw as an org to any of the chosen ones. Every player in the scene did the tryouts and orgs got the ones they thought were best at the moment no matter the nationality.

And lmao that's so vitimist dude, you can't complain about to if you refuse to play the qualifiers, how do you think KPI and Betis made it

Neither were you, there was about as many pt players than Spanish players last split, and even more if you don't count Betis last split who won the qualifier, that's no ones's fault

Almost every EMEA's team has been leaked yet but BBL's

Yeah, our good players are in tier 1 instead

Ever heard of simple

https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Natus_Vincere

Nah, saw a couple things like this today but I don't feel like arguing xD

Hope so, dude is a superstar, was rumored as LEV 6th which could have been amazing

About MOLSI, I've heard he was the one mostly calling at the end of OGLU with some Destrian help so yeah, really underrated

You mean you don’t know NAVi as an org either?

Main reason he hasn’t been picked up by a top team yet imo is that he already has to go to school so can’t practice as much

Fr???? Niceeeeeee finally

Also Lev: keznit, love it kekw

Magnum is not in KOI anymore but it’s okay xD

What a choke

There were for sure better players than Destrian but if they chose him is for the already existing synergy with Molsi and Salah, maybe even cender. I’ve heard he is a very vocal player and helps a lot so that’s good since Bonecold wasn’t even calling at the end of the last roster. I’m just worried about who’s gonna hit the shots when Twisten and Molsi aren’t having the day. Cender might be really good (great clutcher) but he’s definitely not a superstar at all, and tbh not even sure how much better he is than players like xms or Wolfen

I'm sorry but I have serious doubts about Vitality, Twisten and Molsi's backs are gonna hurt and Ig Molsi won't even be playing Raze anymore

Exactly, if they had made VCT they wouldn't have had to

GG, dang famsii

Yeah, just but they were really not that far away from them at all, could have made it instead of loosing and having to disband

Then I guess the only thing we disagree on is on the definition of what's what and not what ac tally happened, because to me "falling off" implies that they are performing bad or significantly worse now, meanwhile I chose the term overperformed as saying that they had a higher peak of what their average level of gameplay is.

Why is debating and trying to convince people not respecting people? And why would you out of everyone on this site judge what is respect, do you consider yourself a respectful user?

Sure go ahead, take the win if it makes you feel better, goodnight

yeah, there are different playstyles. There are different stylistic matchups. DRX's style shut down PRX aggression, but PRX's aggression shut down OpTic, but OpTic shut down DRX. There's no objective way to view the game. And that's why there is discussion. Shit's subjective, and at least when you discuss about it from that perspective you'll have better reasons than "oh they got grouped recently". I would love to discuss about the variables within this game more than whatever this conversation is about tbh.

Fair enough dude that's a valid way of seeing it, it's just that as I said I'm not an analyst so I don't feel comfortable evaluating that stuff, so instead I go back to things I can quantify, but ofc how a team plays matters

Then you just say that instead of "Zeta overperformed at M1" lmao?

Do you prefer if I say they are not as good as they were at M1? Is that a better term to use? Cause that is basically what I mean by overperform

I have recognized being proved wrong several times during this thread but you for some reason seem to only see the bad parts, you have made me the cross and it's not gonna change so I'm gonna stop pretending like I can (you can win). All I'm gonna ask you is to let me fucking live and stop replying to every single one of my posts, I already know your opinion about me and you do not need to remind me everyday of my life thanks, you should go ahead and be a little more self critic before telling people on the internet how to act, because yeah I might defend my arguments, arguments and people are different things. Act like you're not acting with superiority too if you want and make you feel better

If I get in long arguments it's 1, cause I genuinely enjoy debating and YES, trying to convince people, why would that be wrong, aren't we all old enough to chose when something is worth being convinced of or not?

And 2 most of the team people are nice here and always end up well unless it's with you

Lmao you keep acting like if saying Zeta got worse since they played 6 months ago is something crazy and for some reason when if you look at this thread absolutely anybody places them over DRX or PRX who are definitely not top 1 and 2 in the world. All I'm saying is they did fucking great on a tournament and had a fucking good day, that does not mean they didn't deserve it

Go ahead, "defend" the people from me

Overperform ≠ Fluke, tried to explain you but you keep trying to give it a negative connotation when it's not what I'm saying at all

What is more correct to me is not judging off of results and instead having the brainpower to be able to tell how good a team is without relying on the scoreline. You yourself already know how unreliable judging teams off results are, with how you mentioned scrim results. But you only talk about good tournaments, bad tournaments, whatever. That's why I've been trying to show you how tournament results do not matter as much as you think they do. LOUD got grouped, OPTC got grouped, doesn't matter.

Fair enough, yes tournament results are not everything sure but the how do we judge their performance? You can say you liked how they played, and someone else can say they don't it's a completely subjective opinion, we can do it based on that? Yeah sure, but then are we speculate how well Zeta would have done in Playoffs? Tell me in you opinion who could have Zeta beaten in playoffs comparing the ways they played, and don't say it's hard to tell.

At least have SOMETHING to back your reasoning outside of results

What else can I add tho? Like I saw the games, and I do not think Zeta played their games better than other teams, that's it. I'm not an analyst tho that's why I usually don't mention that part, simply cause I rather not to talk about the things I don't know

But if ZETA do well for more events, it'll turn out that maybe ZETA didn't overperform, you just don't know how to judge teams outside of results and recency bias.

Yes, what is more correct to you, give. a team the title of being good after 1 tournament and then expecting them to do well on the next one, or waiting until they perform well again to give them that title? Literally the opposite of recency bias

lmao. I guess up until Champs you thought LOUD overperformed at M1 because they got grouped at M2.
Except from what I remember you never said that. So what gives? Where's the consistency in your logic? Did you say ENVY overperformed at M3 when they got grouped at Champs 2021?

Sure did, I do not think a team is the best in the world after 1 tournament they are the ones to have to prove that they are not a fluke throughout consistency , we're not the ones who have to prove that they are not that good, that's not how competition works. Could they be proof me wrong like the others 2 did? Yeah, have they yet? No, so until they proof otherwise they underperformed in my opinion, but it's clear that you don't agree so let's just drop it and agree to disagree

Overperforming does not mean you didn't deserve what you got, people keeps saying this every team deserves the spot they get that's how it works they earn it. Overperforming means that they have a better tournament that they usually do, hit shots that they don't usually hit, get in the mood yk. Do they deserve the placement? ofc they do, they earned it. It's what they did something you could expect them to repeat consistently? No it is not. Which means they had a tournament were they performed better than they usually do (overperform)

Literally leaving out the fact that ZETA coach and players said they were tired during GF, not to mention that one bad tournament means nothing. OpTic bombed out of Champs 2021, lmao.

That's the thing tho you can't call it a bad tournament when you have only had 1 good one

"Dude you can think Zeta was a top 4 team in this Champs if that's what you want to believe"

Literally nobody said this. You are making stuff up. I'm saying they weren't overperforming but you're acting as if I think ZETA is top 4 in the world. Of course they're not, but that doesn't mean their M1 run was an overperformance.

Again I don't think you understand my point at all, I can't explain it another way. If a team places higher than they should (You just recognized they are not top 4 like they placed) then its a fucking over perform that's literally all I'm saying dude

Losing to NTH looks the same to you? Yeah sure they only lost to LOUD who came from losing to OPTC, yeah but let's be honest they struggled against BOOM who was clearly a bottom 3 team in the tournament and heir performance against LOUD was not good at all, they didn't give them much trouble unless for a couple LAZ plays. LOUD victories over teams like Leviatan seemed a lot more of a struggle. Dude you can think Zeta was a top 4 team in this Champs if that's what you want to believe but in my opinion they weren't better than any playoff team which to me proves an overperform last masters

I'm not telling you that they're good I'm telling you that they can hold their own. Scrim results don't mean much, however if a team is doing well in scrims generally speaking it means they have some level of skill. And it definitely means that they weren't overperforming up until then.

I don't think we're understanding each other here, idk how you define over performing but there is a big difference between over performing and "having some level of skill". Dude they are a great team but they are not as good as they showed to be that masters, there's literally no point to support that statement, but not being a top 4 in the world us not something to be ashamed of lmao

Why tho, they are literally the same roster but know you have a bit more firepower but you lost all of your structure and have a guy IGLing for the first time