could be true

not the eco...

what is that roster xD

Well fair enough, but since I saw a couple under 18 players in Elite and yetujey I assumed it would count. But ig Woot is even younger

Lowel has been playing great lately

(Gonna leave out Turkish talent, because Gutssz did a much better job)

Duelist wise: Tomaszy and MiniBoo are some cracked players that I'm 100% sure they will be tier 1 as soon as they finish school, too young rn. Jugi is already ready imo. Shoutouts to Kamo, Bisk, Polvi, Takas, Alive and Keiko who have chances.

And then talking about other roles in general some players that I see shine are Vokashu (will definitely make it to tier 1). Yuri/lowel, Musashi, BaddyG, Monster and a shit tone of cracked turks (I specially like Woot he is making it 100% too as soon as he turns 18)

Woot?????

Well Lev is very disciplined and only Keznit and Mazino had the talent in that Kru imo, but still, fair enough Ig

Well MiniBoo can't compete in VCT yet. And Polvi was better than all Takas, russ and sociable last year, we would have to see him again this year tho. Only actual better duelist I can think of is Jugi. Tomaszy, Alive and the ones you mentioned are pretty equal imo

I think out of the tier 2 options for duelist he might be one of the most solid options. There is 2 or 3 better, but not many more, he hasn't played this split but he is cracked

polvi is the best player out of the 6 he mentioned

G2 was only good with koldamenta

Fut is cracked tho. losing to them is no shame

Well, Chet hasn't done too well with multiple teams either.

Mini has not been handpicking players at all. Derke, Alfajer, Magnum, Doma, Enzo etc were all unproven players, yes they were good in tier 2, but rookies to tier 1. Actually none of magnum/enzo/doma/mistic have been picked up this year which I think only gives more credit to what FNC did. They were never the best individually. Just like Onur's teams, he has never had the most skilled players, his teams always shine because of the discipline and consistency not crazy plays and individual talent.

Well 2 things tho. First, if your argument to put him 1st is that he is the coach of the best team in the world (Not gonna debate if they are or not), why is not Mini second or at least on the list. Isn't FNC at least top 5?

And second yes you can also make that argument about Chet and as a matter of fact, I do. That's why my top 1 would be Onur since he is the only one who has brought different teams to the top and starting from 0. But on the other side, why I said Chet is also better than Frod is because Chet has managed to stay up there longer and achieved more things.

I do agree Frods work was great on pioneers tho
Also Onur was actually gonna be Loud's coach and is who scouted Less who nobody knew, just like Shy. He found both

Tenz was well rated when he was good, and now it's been a good while since anyone has rated him high

With all respect to Frod what has he done? He did great at Lock in and added cauanzin and Tuyz really well, but the truth is that loud was an already working team before him. Also Loud was specially known because Sacy and Saadhack did basically all the work so I imagine Saadhack does still a great part of the strategic work.

Previous to that he didn't really do anything too special. I know he helped at Champions and stuff but does that and what he did with LOUD at Lock in make him the best coach in the world? I think the work of all the other guys in your list looks far more impressive

It's UCAM vs Rebels this week. First of all why tf did they choose this game, so many better games. Second of all, kinda sucks that the league whose game is chosen for the week has to rewatch an already broadcasted game

Tragedy incoming

Mb then

What playoffs my friend. Points do not take you to playoffs. After playoffs whoever has more points is who go to ascension, but that's it, points and playoffs are not related

Chelsea quarterfinals MCI semifinals where have I seen this before

Wdym qualify?

What a game

Again exactly my point Ardiis is a great Jett but hasn't mastered any other agents, his plays are out of pure firepower

Well Twisten beat Alfajer that tournament. That's literally what happened. I'm not bringing down Alfajer, I'm putting into context how good the tier 2 scene is that a player as good and successful as Alfajer had equally good matchups

Well judging a coach it's pretty hard since we don't have the insight of a team. Kind of like judging an IGL but harder because you don't even get to see the team move. You can't know who made a call, a strat or designed a comp without being inside the team, roles are often flexible and everyone brings up ideas.

So my point to say what Onur does seems more impressive is the fact that he has managed to bring more than 1 team to the top of NA starting from the absolute 0, so seeing that common factor actually gives you the guarantee of his importance. Meanwhile of the other hand Chet has more achievements but they are both by the hand of FNS and the OPTC core which doesn't take away the credit but we can't exactly know who does what exactly and which part of the success is entirely thanks to Chet.

Same for other coaches like Frod. Loud was already a top team just by Saadhack and Sacy's work. Onur brought KRU to Champions semifinals, and then turned LEV who never attended an event before into a world class team

Nip Female seems decent, got the bypass for the GC qualifiers

Probably not, it's a different game that requires different capabilities. But just assuming they have failed it's not really fair either because they didn't really get an actual chance

Alright, did some research too. Out of the 40 players you mentioned, 12 were MORE than the 22 years old the you set as the mark to be too late to go pro when Valorant was launched.

Ange1, fns, boaster, victor, crws, stellar, scream, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz, reita
Out of this 12, Ange1, FNS and scream were actually tier 1, so that's 9 players who didn't succeed left.

Out of those 9, 6, crws, dubstep, borkum, benkai, laz and reita are asian. What does being a tier 1 Asian CS player really mean. Game and scene it's just not the same. Also many of the are IGL which is a role you usually shine later on your career

So that leaves Food, boaster and stellar. Victor was tier 2, boaster and stellar weren't really a thing but again, both shine in valorant because of their IGL skills which is a role acquired at a later age.

Which is when many of the valorant tier 1 players now left. Conclusion, we do not know what would have happened. Could have been ass because it's a different game, or maybe they would have been good

Literally what I'm saying. But are you trying to defend that if you don't win trophies at the age of 17 you won't have a successful career?

And how many come to mind who got good after 17? More than they did before being 17 or less?

14 is when monesy started to get known
I literally say 17 in my post

So if you're not a pro since you're 14 you're not good enough? How many players were successful before 17

You do realize most of those players are around 20 now so they were teenagers when they left cs right?

1. Onur
   (Minumum 2, just because Chet has more results but what Onur manages to do is way more impressive imo)

I'd say it's basically FNC +Suygetsu as sentinel at the moment. Many players who is unfair to leave out like Shao but idk how to fit them

Controller - Boaster
Initiator - Leo
Flex - Chronicle
Duelist - Derke
Sentinel - Suygetsu

So? Kingg was literally the best player of that same tournament statistic wise while Igling. Plus that play was on chamber which is no longer a thing

Ardis is not a S tier player on any agent other than Jett, his fragging ability is significantly worse and his utility is not good at all either.
I do not like Victor but he is a much better flex than Ardis. But if we're talking about Americas it's gotta be kingg imo

Fut are cracked af and have a great chance of making Tokyo actually. Much better than what they did at lock in, first lan event for all of them

Or you could also look at last years tier 2 champions https://www.vlr.gg/167372/fut-esports-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-qf

The winner of the first split tier 2 is also at tier 1, I'm sure you do know Twisten who actually beat Alfajer on that tournament. But that is not good talent is it?

He is cracked

Are any of those 3 "upcoming"?
Also now that you mention Mistic at Apeks, Keiko is a great young promise

That is literally like saying NA's upcoming talent are Shazham and Dapr

It's okay if you do not know the scene

This question gets asked every week xD

Ik it looks weird but it's simply that the system can't properly rank the newly formed cores until they play more games, so basically teams who are older and have played more are higher until it stabilizes.

You can't make a system who ranks the teams based on 2 games and then expect it to be consistent over time

Someone’s still salty about that loss

He needs to get comfortable and they should def play him every map specially since forsaken also seems better on killjoy

common*

biggest? maybe
only? hell nah