for who

i'm not enough of an analyst of val, but how much of their stuff was original/taken proven stuff and elevate it/taken proven stuff and paired it with aimers

ngl show me this roster in 2022, regardless of what they'd done in the past, and i'd buy in

more of a trade vs signing, curry for xeta 😭

that's what i've been trying to say in the long ahh threads above

is he really the goat for taking:

Brawktagon

• goated in tier2, not really a rookie player cuz the guys been around for forever.

s0m

• was always good on NRG, already proven to be able to compete at the world class level

Skuba

• i'm sorry but this guy is the goat. what he was doing on PKS back in the day was gross. the guy has always been amazing and I always wanted 100t to pick him up(they got bang and zander, all they needed was a 3rd viper goat smh). i had zero doubts about him doing well in t1

Mada

• again, another t2 farmer that has been around the na scene for YEARS. i remember this guy from LG and the guy was FRAGGING. i didn't really watch him that much, but he instantly proved himself even on the original nrg roster with fns and verno

and Ethan

• world champ on one of the best team performances we have seen(EG)
• amazing initiator(i will always remember him from his 100t days. that was my goat on skye)

the only thing you could say could have been the problem was ethan's igling skills, but people were already saying NRG were world class. some just didn't want to admit it bc of what happened the previous year and didn't want a repeat. Three players were changed since the previous year, so having an uneasy feeling isn't that warranted.

i'm not taking away any credit from bonkar. he was able to bring them to a champs trophy, but i just can't say he's the "goat" just yet.

and of course none of us will know the full extent in which the coach has an impact on the team on an internal level so this is all just speculation

nah wait you're actually right. i knew when i was making this list i was forgetting someone. but sneaky we need to see another good year from the duo in order to rank them highly. only one flash in the pan isn't enough to put them over termi tho

i entirely agree with this statement full stop

is it wrong for me to think that there's nothing wrong with looking subconsciously/impulsively because they are wearing clothes that happen to show their body in a better light? i'm not saying staring is okay, but if you're at the gym and happen to look in their general direction, notice a girl is wearing red or another color(colors that stand out)thats different from the typical white,black, etc you normally see at the gym, and then you look at their body, even if not for long

is that wrong? like at its very core

how come zellsis went to c9 then?

bro i just turned 19 last week too wtf

although i haven't really been lurking..

in what way? i remember him from akrew

i realize i registered this account in 2021, i'm so surprised i've been on this site for 4 and a half years

i'm going to be so fr, the ONLY worry i had was "how will igl'ing work out", and even then it was kind of a smaller worry

yeah fair point i didn't think about that😭

but still, zekken is on smokes atm, so criticizing kaplan for that is kind of a stretch

GUYS I JUST REALIZED

I completely forgot about frost. What do you guys think about frost? I feel like he is a really good coach, but hasn't been able to have that last piece he needs to become one of the best

i almost see him like termi because he's really good at building teams imo

maybe he was going in the wrong direction, but i feel like just because he believed that zekken should go on smokes isn't enough of a reason to create this much slander. zekken didn't even stay with the roster so how are we supposed to know whether that was the right choice or not. maybe there's an argument for johnqt off igl, but i mean the guy was fragging hard, but then again they finished 10 or wtv

also i find it interesting people don't see that zekken has been playing smokes on mibr lmao. i dont think he should be off duelist either, but the fact that another team did the exact same thing kaplan was suggesting is very hypocritical

i'm sorry, but i was one of them😭😭

i was 14 chill on me

but bro i'm only just now realizing how much cope i was huffing in 2022

yo i am the biggest sen hatewatcher, and i'm not that big of a fan of him, but why are we making kaplan out to be satan himself. Sen fans have it so good nowadays. back in the day we had to deal with no coach, a horrible coach and igl, and then yall finally got a competent head coach, he even got your team to a masters win against GOOD competition(sorry 2021). now yall are just forgetting all of that and saying he's the worst coach

do you guys know what 2021 had to go through? what t1 had to go through with autumn? what edg had to do with muggle? yall should at least be trying to preserve his image in a slightly good light in sen history smh

this is genuinely crazy

I agree there's a difference, but I'm not sure how much of a gap separating them is. i feel like socially, it should be accepted to glance and what not, but if you do what i said originally like creep and whatnot, that's obviously wrong. i think it's 100% wrong for men to stare consistently at a woman at the gym, but i also think it's wrong for someone to automatically assume that the guy is a creep for glancing

i don't think i make total sense in this one

i think it's wrong to shun a person from looking at a girl when they are wearing clothes that ultimately(regardless of whether or not they are meant to), make the girl more attractive. because the same can be said about a girl who wears fashionable clothes that make her look pretty and wear makeup that make her prettier.

does this make sense?

my previous point still stands where i think it's wrong for a man to leer at a girl though

mibr are a good team, but zekken shouldn't really be on controller

yo wait i'm sorry

calling people terminally ill cus nobody agrees with you is you being bias as hell

i thought this guy was genuine, is this like a joke post and it's like trembalona or wtv

thank god you know ball

bro how have you consistently remained this sub-iq ragebaiter for 3 years straight

like is there no clarity at all

btw i did not say this at all. never once did i act horny, and never once did i justify anything. i'm just looking for further perspective

I can see that, but i wouldn't say it's as extreme as objectifying. if that's the case, then i should feel guilty for looking at a woman at all(like hair/face) because am i not objectifying her when my brain is trying to tell whether a girl is pretty or not? even if being pretty or not has zero relevance to the convo or if it doesn't change anything, i feel like our brains are wired to label things regardless of whether or not that impacts how we act towards things

am i making any sense

i guess this is a valid point, but i feel like it's slightly flawed. personally, if people were constantly looking at my crotch, i'd feel insecure because of size(as in soft), not because inherently people are looking at my crotch

does that make sense?

edit: also i only added the don't downvote me because i feel like people tend to just not say anything and instead will see someone's downvoted the post and just follow along

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idk i dont really check girls out bc i have a girlfriend, but it's probably just top to bottom, no? like hair->face->everything else. i feel like that's not a crazy take

i understand where you're coming from, but if it genuinely is only looking and just moving on with each others day, is there a problem?

i actually just celebrated my two year anniversary with my gf on valentines day, but maybe i just have a different perspective since i just turned 19, but whenever someone see my girlfriend and is like "damn she's bad" (instead of pretty or something better bc i see bad as an objectifying word), i just always respond "i know" or something like that. If someone looks at my girlfriend, i'm not going to worry because he can look all he likes, but he will never be me

again, ive never been in a scenario where a guy creepily looks at her

idk i suppose it's hard not to take a glance here and there if a girl is wearing workout clothes same way if a guy is wearing a wife beater

im totally onboard with the "it doesn't matter what she was wearing" thing tho

do you separate checking out from staring?

does it change anything if someone looks at you?

also i totally get what you're saying and am in no way trying to shut you down

but i feel like inherently staring isn't the problem, it's the other stuff i mentioned

also staring is a bit of a stretch, because i feel like there's not a problem checking a girl out, but if you're at the gym constantly looking at their ass, it's a bit much

(can you respond to what i said above)

no no don't say mb, i was just trying to understand

genuine question, what's wrong with looking? i think a better frame would be

" not an excuse to be a creep, take photos, etc"

i feel like a guy would have no problem if a girl stared at him, but would probably feel uncomfortable if they did the things i mentioned above

vlr users: don't downvote me, instead give me a valid argument

Yeah i get what you're saying and i agree

with a different igl and initiator(half way though)

disastrous? if you handed me a piece of paper and told me Brawk, s0m, mada, ethan, and one of my favorite players(even though 3/5 players are in my top 20 favs) skuba were on the same team, i would say "well duh they could win champs". im more surprised that fns and bonkar were unable to create crazy strats imo

maybe im just blinded by nostalgia, but i remember the acend roster being VERY good at its peak. i stopped following acend after they didn't make partnership/fell off in 2022, and i didn't watch much of challengers, but i'll give you it because i do remember tsm being one of the top contenders. if 100t win, i'll give it to you

did you read what i said

sneaky dont know either, but i saw lohans on TL so good shout

what does nbs have? im not trying to sound rude, just asking

he only has acend and then now 100t and 100t is still unproven whether they'll do good this year

im not rating bonkar because he's had one roster(i guess two. i forgot about OXG), and i want to wait and see if it's not just a one or two off

i want to see how 100t go before putting d00mbros at 3 because really all he has is 2022 FPX. 2023 Navi fell off

i added engh just because he's another coach that comes to mind that did something, but doesn't justify being the greatest

yeah i agree+at the end of the day, a lot of it comes down to how much better one team shoots the gun

but to me what makes mini so good is that he's done it on multiple rosters since the very beginning

he's built them all up tho. look at flashback, beyn, etc

i definitely see it, but to me he's very similar to alecks. the firepower on the guard, then adding jawg and leaf, of course they'll perform well

although i guess that's a bad argument because look at FNC

1. Mini(hands down no arguments made)

big gap

2. T0rmi(no one can deny he's one of the best coaches, he's built up so many rosters that have all consistently performed. only thing staining his legacy is that he hasn't won a trophy yet

3. Alecks-i only think he's lower than termi because he has had the same roster for so long and every advancement has been because of their players. I may be discrediting him, but having the roster that PRX has, of COURSE they will win a trophy eventually. i am 100% willing to switch the two, but i need a reason other than alecks has a trophy and termi is 5-6th curse.

and then who else??

i no longer think potter is one of the best because she's had great timeout calls but she hasn't returned to the international stage. maybe she just needs a new team with a better budget idk)
MCE needs to have another chance to prove himself because what he did with Guard and C9 were actually crazy at the time, but he's been in t2/3 hell ever since.

sure you have d00mbros and enghh who have been good, but i wouldn't consider them to be the greatest. i need to see them do it again with other rosters

how crazy are these takes??

edit: i think it's hard to rate good coaches because we haven't seen many consistent ones. You can't look at EDG and praise muggle for all he's done, and you can't do that with autumn with T1(to an extent)

bro this is genuinely nothing compared to the first sentinels implosion