THIS BRO THANK YOU

who is enly 😭

yeah but mindfreak wasn't one of their BEST players. for me, the true core is chichoo, smoggy, kangkang. also im p sure chichoo and kk are a package deal

or it's kk and smoggy, i can't remember

would you put smoggy in goat flex contention or would you say he's like forsaken and just really good at shooting

you don't even need to look at stats, just look at the impact that he has had in the server

alr alr hold on

aspas--> yes
Alfajer-->fine bc he is another player that's not talked about NEARLY enough(he genuinely will be one of the goats of valorant)
Derke-->i guess but like i don't see derke being in the same tier as aspas. i'm not taking away from his achievments, he is one of the best players, but if GOAT tier is S tier, i'd put derke in A+ tier. he needs another popoff year imo
Meteor--> Not yet. he's one of my favorite players, but i don't think that meteor should be in the same tier as aspas just yet because he HAS been seen to be inconsistent. I'd say Meteor is A tier just because we haven't seen him at the top top for THAT long
Sacy--> i'm sorry but i just can't in my right mind say that forsaken is below sacy because let's be real, sacy was carried(at least for madrid. i didn't watch Loud that much back in 2022, so i can't speak about his impact then). doesn't mean he didn't have an impact on the team, but forsaken has had a much more profound impact on PRX, including firepower
Ethan-->I can hear this, but i think the fact that forsaken is usually at the top of the leaderboard means that not only is he good in his role, but he's doing it while having better aim.
zekken--> nah this i can't really hear because look at how zekken is doing when he's not on a duelist. zekken really needs to perform this year if we want to put zekken in the goat tier. he's not bad at all, but he's not above forsaken
Less--> cmon, he's a great player, but he's not stayed consistently at the top. I know it's partly because he didn't make that many internationals(only the first internationals of '24 and '25), and maybe we'd see better stuff if he made more internationals, but f0rsaken has been to almost every international save for one i think.

i know i am contradicting in some of these, but tldr half these players you can't say are above f0rsaken just because they have more trophies

bro why are my two goats being disrespected wtf. why is everyone acting like they haven't been the hidden goats of this team for so long

yeah i mean i get what you're saying, but forsaken has also played duelist, which is the exact opposite of being a lurk/anchor, yk? i think his diversity should be praised more than it is

most of the time meaning this year? bc last year he was doing everything

yeah fair cb isn't that bad at this intl

i can maybe hear nobody even tho he's the igl, but dropping smoggy is just braindead bro that guy has done everything for edg

who would you put above him?

i just feel like we see so many great players making role switches and them shitting the bed afterwards

bro i have genuinely been saying ts since 2024. we need someone like fns or someone to come in as an AC to help with strats

okay fine just bc he hasn't won a champs trophy i'll stick him in the top 3. who is above him in terms of ALL TIME

maybe derke or chron can be ahead of him, but that's where i draw the line for fnc players

bro what why are we dropping smoggy?? that guy singlehandedly carries them some games.

Is After a good coach?

the guy has taken every agent(except gekko) and brought it to the highest stage of valorant, all while igling and fragging HEAVILY. i'm not the craziest fan of PRX, but i'm sorry, this guy has been around since the beginning and has CONSISTENTLY performed well. only other guy that has stayed this consistent is maybe aspas, but he's only on duelist. the fact forsaken is doing ts on EVERY AGENT is insane

guys there has to be a solution that fixes this team. i personally dont think that champs 2025 was their strongest showcase of their potential. obviously chichoo and smoggy are gross and went ballistic, but we didn't see much of the kk show

we had finally found the solution with s1mon, but then he exploded.

i personally think that all this team needs is a new coaching staff and maybe drop cb

im just hesitant in believing in autumn bc of how much shit he's gotten in the past

im saying bro. we need an actual good coach, not muggle or autumn

shi you right

you know ball

i just did

how do i hsare then

W chichoo

https://www.valorantfantasyleague.net/team/15023

nah what about this

i mean sneaky yeah. life is never that deep

wait really? what was the problem with it?

it should be a staple ngl

fracture, not breeze.

fuck breeze

best map oat to watch

to play, not so much

E for Edward Gaming

you're right, i jsut forgot ig

idk how to see that unless i have his comms, and then the team executes and the round goes wrong

ty bro i thought i was going crazy

yeah fair

I mean lowkey if they don’t know that much about the Chinese games, and the fact that china is always unpredictable (they’re always high on xlg but they always do bad, and then a team like wolves surprises everyone), it’s kinda fair to just put them at the bottom

i know they're not it just hurts every time 💔

(because i know deep down it's true)

edg 12 🥀

no i know ball bro. everyone knows in emea it's debated between leo, cloud, and trexx(in terms of peaks, it's leo 1 and then trexx and cloud fighting for second)

sneaky this guy has a point(i aint letting you get away with that team secret and mibr sneak)

bro we can not associate tenz with omen. that guy was a jett main through and through and i'll always associate tenz with jett. that's like remembering trent for tejo not sova. he can be considered for both, but sova main has to come first

that's why it's hard for me because sure there's ppl on that list that shouldn't be there(shahzam, runi, derrek, nobody, bcj) but the rest are all good contestants of people who could be in consideration

idk about sova, but if i REALLY had to choose, i'd probably pick chichoo or bang(im biased idc i love those mfs in a viper clutch scenario)

Astra - vanity
Breach - stax
Brimstone - marved
Chamber - yay
Clove - smoggy
Cypher - nats
Deadlock - saadhak
Fade - eeiu
Gekko - something
Harbor - s0m/berlin
Iso - alfajer
Jett - zmjjkk
Kayo - asuna/ethan
Killjoy - meteor
Neon - miniboo
Omen - bang
Phoenix - victor
Raze - asuna
Reyna - something
Sage - sick
Skye - ethan/stax
Sova - crashies
Tejo - trent
Veto - udotan
Viper - bang
Vyse - leaf
Waylay - mada
Yoru - f0rsaken

Play it yourself at: https://vctassociation.vercel.app/

sneaky I know ball

tenz and kk

did he develop leo and sayf? i remember when they played together, but i'm not familiar with how much of an impact he had on those players

skuba has always been good idc

i'm not saying that bonkar did nothing, but do you think that what he did was generational? like sohuld he be one of the "greatest" of all time

Sova: trexx, leo, brawk, trent, runi, shahzam, crashies, verno, derrek, nobody, bcj, cloud

viper: bang, marved, skuba, k1ng, mako, nats, fns, chichoo, zander, kingg, less, sscary

sneaky are these the two agents where it's hard to pick a top 3 "BEST" on an agent

edit: wait maybe best isn't the best metric. i meant when you think of an agent, how hard is it for you to determine the most recognized players on those agents

this bro. i forgot that he was secondary caller for eg(which was part of why i always believed in him)

tex there for vibes??

lowkey if he actually is a good vibes guy, i feel even worse for him against nrg bro he was getting targeted

ngl the original question is incel as fuck, but the rest isnt

for who

i'm not enough of an analyst of val, but how much of their stuff was original/taken proven stuff and elevate it/taken proven stuff and paired it with aimers

ngl show me this roster in 2022, regardless of what they'd done in the past, and i'd buy in

more of a trade vs signing, curry for xeta 😭