bro why are my two goats being disrespected wtf. why is everyone acting like they haven't been the hidden goats of this team for so long

yeah i mean i get what you're saying, but forsaken has also played duelist, which is the exact opposite of being a lurk/anchor, yk? i think his diversity should be praised more than it is

most of the time meaning this year? bc last year he was doing everything

yeah fair cb isn't that bad at this intl

i can maybe hear nobody even tho he's the igl, but dropping smoggy is just braindead bro that guy has done everything for edg

who would you put above him?

i just feel like we see so many great players making role switches and them shitting the bed afterwards

bro i have genuinely been saying ts since 2024. we need someone like fns or someone to come in as an AC to help with strats

okay fine just bc he hasn't won a champs trophy i'll stick him in the top 3. who is above him in terms of ALL TIME

maybe derke or chron can be ahead of him, but that's where i draw the line for fnc players

bro what why are we dropping smoggy?? that guy singlehandedly carries them some games.

Is After a good coach?

the guy has taken every agent(except gekko) and brought it to the highest stage of valorant, all while igling and fragging HEAVILY. i'm not the craziest fan of PRX, but i'm sorry, this guy has been around since the beginning and has CONSISTENTLY performed well. only other guy that has stayed this consistent is maybe aspas, but he's only on duelist. the fact forsaken is doing ts on EVERY AGENT is insane

guys there has to be a solution that fixes this team. i personally dont think that champs 2025 was their strongest showcase of their potential. obviously chichoo and smoggy are gross and went ballistic, but we didn't see much of the kk show

we had finally found the solution with s1mon, but then he exploded.

i personally think that all this team needs is a new coaching staff and maybe drop cb

im just hesitant in believing in autumn bc of how much shit he's gotten in the past

im saying bro. we need an actual good coach, not muggle or autumn

shi you right

you know ball

i just did

how do i hsare then

W chichoo

https://www.valorantfantasyleague.net/team/15023

nah what about this

i mean sneaky yeah. life is never that deep

wait really? what was the problem with it?

it should be a staple ngl

fracture, not breeze.

fuck breeze

best map oat to watch

to play, not so much

E for Edward Gaming

you're right, i jsut forgot ig

idk how to see that unless i have his comms, and then the team executes and the round goes wrong

ty bro i thought i was going crazy

yeah fair

I mean lowkey if they don’t know that much about the Chinese games, and the fact that china is always unpredictable (they’re always high on xlg but they always do bad, and then a team like wolves surprises everyone), it’s kinda fair to just put them at the bottom

i know they're not it just hurts every time 💔

(because i know deep down it's true)

edg 12 🥀

no i know ball bro. everyone knows in emea it's debated between leo, cloud, and trexx(in terms of peaks, it's leo 1 and then trexx and cloud fighting for second)

sneaky this guy has a point(i aint letting you get away with that team secret and mibr sneak)

bro we can not associate tenz with omen. that guy was a jett main through and through and i'll always associate tenz with jett. that's like remembering trent for tejo not sova. he can be considered for both, but sova main has to come first

that's why it's hard for me because sure there's ppl on that list that shouldn't be there(shahzam, runi, derrek, nobody, bcj) but the rest are all good contestants of people who could be in consideration

idk about sova, but if i REALLY had to choose, i'd probably pick chichoo or bang(im biased idc i love those mfs in a viper clutch scenario)

Astra - vanity
Breach - stax
Brimstone - marved
Chamber - yay
Clove - smoggy
Cypher - nats
Deadlock - saadhak
Fade - eeiu
Gekko - something
Harbor - s0m/berlin
Iso - alfajer
Jett - zmjjkk
Kayo - asuna/ethan
Killjoy - meteor
Neon - miniboo
Omen - bang
Phoenix - victor
Raze - asuna
Reyna - something
Sage - sick
Skye - ethan/stax
Sova - crashies
Tejo - trent
Veto - udotan
Viper - bang
Vyse - leaf
Waylay - mada
Yoru - f0rsaken

Play it yourself at: https://vctassociation.vercel.app/

sneaky I know ball

tenz and kk

did he develop leo and sayf? i remember when they played together, but i'm not familiar with how much of an impact he had on those players

skuba has always been good idc

i'm not saying that bonkar did nothing, but do you think that what he did was generational? like sohuld he be one of the "greatest" of all time

Sova: trexx, leo, brawk, trent, runi, shahzam, crashies, verno, derrek, nobody, bcj, cloud

viper: bang, marved, skuba, k1ng, mako, nats, fns, chichoo, zander, kingg, less, sscary

sneaky are these the two agents where it's hard to pick a top 3 "BEST" on an agent

edit: wait maybe best isn't the best metric. i meant when you think of an agent, how hard is it for you to determine the most recognized players on those agents

this bro. i forgot that he was secondary caller for eg(which was part of why i always believed in him)

tex there for vibes??

lowkey if he actually is a good vibes guy, i feel even worse for him against nrg bro he was getting targeted

ngl the original question is incel as fuck, but the rest isnt

for who

i'm not enough of an analyst of val, but how much of their stuff was original/taken proven stuff and elevate it/taken proven stuff and paired it with aimers

ngl show me this roster in 2022, regardless of what they'd done in the past, and i'd buy in

more of a trade vs signing, curry for xeta 😭

that's what i've been trying to say in the long ahh threads above

is he really the goat for taking:

Brawktagon

• goated in tier2, not really a rookie player cuz the guys been around for forever.

s0m

• was always good on NRG, already proven to be able to compete at the world class level

Skuba

• i'm sorry but this guy is the goat. what he was doing on PKS back in the day was gross. the guy has always been amazing and I always wanted 100t to pick him up(they got bang and zander, all they needed was a 3rd viper goat smh). i had zero doubts about him doing well in t1

Mada

• again, another t2 farmer that has been around the na scene for YEARS. i remember this guy from LG and the guy was FRAGGING. i didn't really watch him that much, but he instantly proved himself even on the original nrg roster with fns and verno

and Ethan

• world champ on one of the best team performances we have seen(EG)
• amazing initiator(i will always remember him from his 100t days. that was my goat on skye)

the only thing you could say could have been the problem was ethan's igling skills, but people were already saying NRG were world class. some just didn't want to admit it bc of what happened the previous year and didn't want a repeat. Three players were changed since the previous year, so having an uneasy feeling isn't that warranted.

i'm not taking away any credit from bonkar. he was able to bring them to a champs trophy, but i just can't say he's the "goat" just yet.

and of course none of us will know the full extent in which the coach has an impact on the team on an internal level so this is all just speculation

nah wait you're actually right. i knew when i was making this list i was forgetting someone. but sneaky we need to see another good year from the duo in order to rank them highly. only one flash in the pan isn't enough to put them over termi tho

i entirely agree with this statement full stop

is it wrong for me to think that there's nothing wrong with looking subconsciously/impulsively because they are wearing clothes that happen to show their body in a better light? i'm not saying staring is okay, but if you're at the gym and happen to look in their general direction, notice a girl is wearing red or another color(colors that stand out)thats different from the typical white,black, etc you normally see at the gym, and then you look at their body, even if not for long

is that wrong? like at its very core

how come zellsis went to c9 then?

bro i just turned 19 last week too wtf

although i haven't really been lurking..