I'm not talking about what you said but what's been said in multiple posts in vlr after their win. No way you're blatantly ignoring all of those posts that said their run in kickoff and madrid was a fluke and also wouldn't give credit to the players for playing well. There's no way you think only sen fans are loud and annoying when this year's nrg fans exist(unless ofc you totally ignore their multiple hate and bait posts) and also that racist navi fan who added to those sen hatred posts (prob got banned?). Anyways, since they won a Masters in 2024 so far isn't it a given that they'll be a bit outrageous given their huge fanbase(which also adds to the larger amount of love/hate compared to fnatic run, but they were still, as you said widely considered the best given how dominant they were throughout 2023)? Any fanbase would glaze their team to max after they've won a Masters, that's what happens in vlr for the more popular fanbases, they don't just stick to themselves but call out others too, I think the same will happen when a team wins Shanghai.