I feel like stats matter a lot when talking about top 10 of all time (consider a top 10 list of players all time in irl sports, which one has bad stats? I can list many examples but I don't think I need to) but even without it, a finals appearance/podium finish without winning the event doesn't mean as much in my opinion. I'm not trying to downplay Ethan's career because I think he is an amazing player and has accomplished a lot but saying Tenz is not even close to top 10 all time is ridiculous.

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He's definitely close if not already top 10 all time. imo TenZ>Ethan and there's an argument for Tenz>crashies/Victor.

For the Tenz vs Ethan comparison both had somewhat inconsistent gaps in their career: Tenz had a good 2021, bad 2022/23, and has started 2024 with a masters win. He was also the best/second best on the team/world during the internationals he played, winning 2 masters. Ethan had a mid 2021, a bad 2022 (played for old NRG who didn't really care/weren't competitive enough) and a good 2023 but was probably the 2nd/3rd best player on the team (usually behind Demon1/jawgemo). It is a little hard to compare the two since they played different roles but I think Tenz was more important for his team's success.

TLDR: 2 masters where a player was the top/second best on the team (and also the best in the world for one of them)>1 champions win as a great support

Not a bad list but I disagree on some takes:

1. Loud>NRG rn but I think that's just because they had more time to prepare and look more coordinated as a team. I do think that NRG will probably be the best Americas team by the end of the year.
2. C9 and MIBR are way too high. I think that C9 should be around 8/9 and MIBR 10/11. They just don't really look as good compared to other teams and although they had a close match that's because they are both just equally bad. And even though Oxy is good, he was pretty inconsistent in challengers so I don't think he'll be able to save C9.
3. Furia should be somewhere in the middle maybe 6/7 just based on how you rated NRG. I can't really rate them higher than that because their only good player is mwzera and they often fall behind strategically when compared to Loud and NA teams.

-kiNgg + f0rsaken and -shao + zmjKK (recency bias but kk 🐐) then the rest of the list is fine.