You cant count everything a fluke. As much as im against Optic, their run wasnt a fluke, howver the only reason they did win was because on form M3C, FPX, and FNC werent able to play.

if he does SEN will win Champions EZ

I dont think its just work ethic tho cause i feel like JP has had great work ethic for a long time but theyre just shit at the game yknow? It just feels like EMEA is uncontested when it comes to creating unbelievably complex and in depth strategies and plays that even Optic at thier peek didnt match (tho optic id say were still good enough without them to contest for the win)

not just the synergy was off but mental is huge. The team playing in the biggest tourney of the quarter and they cant even use half the shit theyve been prepping for months. They couldve been subbed by players that were the best in the world and it still wouldnt change anything they probably wouldve still gotten 0-2ed

i mean you arent wrong but SEN never really stuck to that rule either so either way it still makes him a hypocrite

its called being a fan. RN I definitely think FNC are gonna win masters, that doesnt make them my favourite team tho. A favourite team sticks with you (as long as the core is intact) no matter how high their peaks and low their dips are. Imma support them till they either rebuild or till val is dead

so the faze match just didnt exist to you?

he isnt in a good place mentally i suspect. Shahz said for sure Sick isnt playing in LCQ

dude stop mentioning streaming its fucking getting old. As long as they put in the prac hours it doesnt matter how much they stream. Fucking V1 doesnt stream but look at what happened to them, from number 1 to the bottom of tier 2.
With sick in the team we didnt really get to see much in the first 2 matches. You could really notice that they made changes in the optic match where they were doing things that they usually would never do. Also in the Faze match i love how they were experimenting with their agents, they had proper set plays, the teamplay was decent, and thje comms were clearly there. If Sick was in this system he wouldve been able to add the firepower that rawkus couldnt (this is just pure speculation extrapolating from his past performances, as long as hes stopped his tendency to make dumb plays on omen he could be a really good smoker)

I mean i havent been watching him on chamber but the thing is other than derke, there hasnt been a jett main that has impressed me on chamber. I feel like its a waste of their raw mechanical skill. Playing chamber restricts them in a lot of ways and forces others on the team to become the entry even if they might not be the most gifted mechanically. I dunno about IGLing but i think if tenz were to take up chamber then i feel like shahz would have to start going crazy on jett again.

LMAO not wrong

I mean if you take away the context like that then sure the narrative becomes crazy

but thats what i mean tho, how are EMEA teams still playing relatively high level compared to the rest of the world even tho theyre dealing with that shit. Theres no excuse for all the other regions ESPECIALLY NA

bro is saying this with a SEN flair...
Dude shittalk is great, thats literally the reason sen have so many fans (had*)
You just dont like it causse you dont like XSet, dont skew the narrative

wait...

They have been practicing a lot more and it was apparent in some of the matches they played but we were never able to see their proper form with Sick in the team. Im just worried that if they have Rawkus on smokes itll make the team far too weak in terms of firepower. Zombs also doesnt provide firepower even if he might be able to glue the team together and hold sites well, I feel like Dapr should be the one taking on that role

Really though? Without Sick? I mean if Dapr plays like he did in stage 2 and Kanpeki and Shahz play at a little higher level, I do see them winning some games but i felt like they really couldve had a shot at winning with sick considering the competition rn in NA

I feel like watching VCT esp in EMEA, the skill level is just not the same as it used to be. Like sure teams liek FPX arent doing as well as they were before, and M3C are in shambles but usually there are other teams that take up those spots. This time around though i feel like FPX dont even deserve to qualify but they did cause there was no better team (yes i currently think Guild are better but maybe thats just because im biased from their performance with BaddyG)
In NA sure the overall skill of teams has been increasing but still no team reaches the peaks that EMEA hit in stage 1 and DRX hit in the match against Optic. I feel like Optic have been doing decently but i cant say theyve dropped in skill cause they just always step it up in LAN so ill reserve judgement.
The other regions have also increased but again I see no one reaching the peaks that EMEA hit with the trifecta of M3C, FPX, and FNC peaks (other than Optic in the finals and DRX match)

Do SEN have even a shot at winning just 1 game at this point?
They were fucked before but i definitely saw that they were slowly climbing, but fuck man without sick and with the roles as fucked as they already are I really dont see SEN winning a single game in the LCQ other than to maybe TG or smth

its like hes criticizing NA but because they dont have the same results as JP they get a pass

I mean i feel like everyone would be happy if it was but they just dont get nearly the same amount of viewership in that section of VCT

Id say it isnt really necessary to switch over cause considering youre in immort it would mean the motor skills in your right hand is already REALLY good especially considering that isnt your dominant hand. At that level of the game it doesnt really matter anymore how well you can aim and so i dont think youd get much value for the immense amount of work you would have to put in to be proficient at it in the same rank

bros washed just accept it

dude we are actually fucked its all over man, theres no chance we can win with a player this bad RIP

I guess my job here is done

People are so dumb when talking about anything valorant its crazy
they switch up so fast when the narrative suits them. Imagine this thread but change it with sen and imagine the amount of hate from optic fans calling them bad

agreed. I feel like at that point champs will become a lot less competitive than masters

This has to be the shittiest rankings ive seen yet

Bro forgot zeta got first JP seed in the previous tourney

dont you mean Optic wins heavily nerfed international and you think youre the best itw?
I literally never said anything abt Fnatic being the best but the fact that you already think that just goes to show how much better they actually are

that isnt how the game works, you dont just simply play to not get antistrated that defeats the entire purpose of antistrating. Optic play really similar in style and setups when theyre pushed against a corner and they literally had that against Xset where Xset started being able to read their plays. Goign against a team like FNC optic wouldnt stand a chance

lol typical optic fan overestimating the skill of their team

its mini

Man's literally forgot about EVERYTHING before masters 2 and the fact that Sen didn't even drop a map

Bro istg all i have to say is if Faze win this game then it just confirms that Chet is fucking stupid

Let me introduce you to this wonderous thing we like to call, Hitscan...

Also "time to shoot" in the way your describing it 1. wouldnt work on an op cause that defeats its purpose 2. doesnt even exist, at least in valorant. All guns shoot the moment you shoot them

Recharging op shots is the important part imo. Maybe even just make it 2 and just have it recharge on kill so that ppl become a little less aggressive with the op and they play angles that ensure the kill and so it becomes a bit more predictable and easier to counter, also would be a lot more in the theme of sentinel that anchors site instead of sentinel that pushes into main so that the team will rotate

you dont even need 1k creds. I sometimes completely flip an eco round on its head with my last 2 remaining bullets from the previous round and half shields. I get 1 and then another peeks and i get anohter. It then becomes a 3v5 and now we have guns, its just far too powerful

Bruh doesnt mean you need to stop supporting a team just because they arent at the top of the scene

G2 makes sense to support on an org side cause of carlos. For other orgs tho i just dont get why ppl support the org instead of the players, cause the like the org isnt the one with the personality and so how would you get attached to that?

we cant say anything rn cause for all the teams that have won LANs, they havent fallen off immediately. It has taken time. I mean SEN literally won challengers again after iceland so it isnt very indicative just yet the fact that optic are still playing well

Well I mean to be fair though both sen and faze have decent fractures and also optic really looked like they were only going at 60% during the group stage. There is a stark contrast between their match in the playoffs and their matches in the groups. It was similar as well for stage 1 where they really didnt look too good in the groups but then in the playoffs they stepped it up A LOT (other than the C9 match, that shit was a nightmare to watch). And the same pattern repeats in that the lesser important match being the grandfinals seeding game, they played at a visibly noticeable less than 100%

Did you just say their 2 best maps are their weakest???

xD i love this

This is a miracle considering how far away W and L are on the keyboard
Maybe hes using a phone from 2004 with a tiny lcd touchscreen

you really are making it seem that way especially with the fact that you havent made it clear that you dont mean everyone

damn ppl really cant handle cockiness when its anyone but their favourite team huh?

Bro i didnt even know VK was still a thing, damn this takes me back

EG were playing a terrible game tho on the other 2 maps and against optic as well. But I do agree that NRG are looking WAAAAY better than they did in groups. It looks like theyre finally gelling together well

but hes not been doing great recently. His best match so far has been in the playoffs and before that hes been quite flat compared to last stage