He dropped 27k and 320 ACS on that map, marved was second with 160ACS, and he was 4-1 in duels against redgar's reyna, so i don't really see what you mean when you say that he lost to redgar's reyna.

Bro litteraly comparing Yay to Leo and Mwzera, not worth my time.
Have a good day.

Yes, of course he abused chamber back in Berlin 2021 too when he had 280 ACS and Chamber wasn't even a thing.
Yes Navi is the best team in the world, and they all are top 5 in their roles respectively, except yay proved over 2021 and 2022 that he's not top 5 in his role, he's top 1 overall and it's not even close.
Btw, calling someone dumb and using laugh emojis is not really the way to argue.

I agree with you on the salaries part, but do you think he'd rather not compete than take a paycut to join Liquid? I don't think so.

You really missed the point which is that yay will never join Navi and yay will never join ascension.
For what you said, yay proved to be miles above any player in the world including the Navi roster

Yay joining navi is more probable than him playing ascension, and Liquid have enough funds to pay yay, that's why they're the only EU possibility.

Recon and Oni

Over-what? It's litteraly just a possibility lil bro, even Geddes discussed it yesterday.

It doesn't make sense, they don't have the money for yay.
Liquid and Vitality are the only ones with enough funds and Vitality looks really good already.

It was for fun, and even then he didn't like it.

No one said it magically fixes everything, they would need time anyway but the best player in the world being a free agent is a good pick up for any team other than NAVI and Fnatic, especially when the roles would fit when redgar can play smokes and Jamppi is really good on Sova.

On paper, NAVI are still the best team in the world.
But Liquid with yay would be a very strong competition

They still have NRG, they can never be finished as long as they have the FNS/Chet duo.

Liquid looked so bad in LOCK/IN, and a roster change might be necessary.
nAts can be the best player in the world, and even when the team were in shambles he played out of his mind.
Jamppi and Sayf proved to be insane in the past.
Redgar remains one of the best igls in the world.
That leaves Soulcas sadly.
I'd put redgar on Omen/Astra, Jamppi back on the sova and yay on Chamber/Jett.
Maybe I'm wrong tho, and Liquid just needs time to be good, but they seem like a good contender to sign yay since they have the funds and they need an upgrade.

Unless aspas goes ballistics which is not really improbable, DRX looks like favorites.

He's the reason C9 dominated in NA in 2021, and him leaving was the reason they didn't make an international event. So yes he was one of the best initiators in NA coming into franchising.

No he doesn't, Crashies was the best NRG player player in Lock/IN and was the best initiator in the world last year.
I doubt anyone can replace Crashies, especially from NA.

I don't know if you're doubting that he's good or if it's a genuine question.
In case it's a genuine question, a lot of teams that got into franchising kept their previous roster or most of it since releasing them and signing a full new team will be hard on every level, so most of the other talents who weren't on franchised teams sadly didn't get to join even if they were sometimes better.
Some examples are EG, 100T and C9, they could have upgraded most of their original rosters but they only made few changes.

He's been so consistent for so long, he was probably one of the best initiator in NA alongside xeta, trent and crashies of course.
Sad to see that only 2 of them got a spot in franchised when the others are better than most of the initiators in franchised league.
Rooting for him and Trent to get a spot in T1 next year one way or the other, or even this year if possible.

Why do people think Vanity can play any other role other than smoker? I've never even seen vanity on a KJ or cypher, not even on sage

What Hiko said about swapping Cryo for Yay would be interesting.
Bring back the raze/neon Asuna, he looked so good on those and make Yay a full time jett/chamber.
But i don't know if Mikes is willing to play double duelist on some maps or play jett at all, so it's probably not gonna happen, but I really think it's a good idea.

No he didn't, he was negative in 3 of them, and that's not even my point, I said facing elimination and he went negative/ bottom on all of them

Maps when Fnatic facing elimination:
Fracture vs DRX: 13/15 bottom of both teams
Fracture vs FPX: 13/16
Bind vs PRX: 16/20 2nd to last
Split vs KRU: 13/19 bottom of the team
Vs Sen in 2021 he was bottom on all maps
You see the similarities?

Liquid are pretty bad right now, how is that related to derke being a choker?

Are you seriously comparing any util to DRX, just watch any game of DRX and you'll see Stax do things Leo wouldn't even imagine

Good group stage games, 166 ACS vs PRX, 155 ACS against FPX in the playoffs to go home, meanwhile optic goes to top 3 afterwards.

Who snuck saadhak in?
Aspas and Less are the best players in Loud.
Kingg is better than Saadhak as far as fragging IGLs go.
The rest is pretty reasonable.

Yes he is

I litteraly said facing elimination, is he facing elimination across all maps?
I already said he's usually insane, I know exactly how good he can be, but I remember him choking on the big moments so I pointed it out, no cherry picking in there.

You could say he has the potential, but disrespecting Crashies who achieved so much is not really the way to go

Let's talk about this when Leo has qualified for more than a single event, for now there isn't really a discussion.

Then you're not talking about initiator bro, top 3 initiators include Stax and not Leo.

Are you talking about top 3 initiator or top 3 Fraggers ?
Stax util is absolutely insane, his KAST and APR are not even close to Leo, yes ofc Leo is a better fragger but so are most of the initiators in the world because stax is igling, but are they better initiators than stax? Hell no, and Leo isn't either.

Yeah, people forgot about stax because Leo has good stats in EMEA qualifiers, while he has only qualified to one international event in his career and didn't even perform that good in it.

I've been following Guild and EMEA qualifiers since 2021, but no, a player who has only been to one international even where he didn't even get a good placement, wasn't even the best player on Guild is not a top 5 players in the world, nor a top 3 initiator.

Check the decider map on every one of the games i mentioned:
ALL NEGATIVE, most of them bottom of the table

We can't put a player in top 5 because he played 3 good games against 100T, Furia and Sentinels.
Especially when this guy wasn't even in the discussion before, if he destroys NAVI and plays good in the grand finals he surely will be, but for now 3 games are not nearly enough.

NRG looks like the only good team in NA tbh, with Loud and Leviatan this might be the 3 teams to go to Masters Tokyo.

Bro snuck in Leo, this guy hasn't won a masters, has been to only one masters which he didn't even get to top 4 and is being compared to Crashies.
The disrespect is astounding.

No idea about 5, but Shao and Mako are the best I've seen so far.
Aspas is insane, but Less have been way better this tourney so far, so if someone is putting him they should out Less ahead of him at least.

Ardiis is becoming my favorite streamer by far, the time of the streams is pretty bad for me but i watch the full vod every day.
I love that guy

This is wrong on so many levels, Leo is good but not even close to Shao on any aspect of the game.
The only who can be in a debate against shao is Austin "Crashies" Roberts.

Why do people rate derke so highly tho?
He's usually insane, but I'm pretty sure he goes double negative everytime they face elimination against a big team, it happened against SEN, Kru, PRX, FPX, DRX...
The opposite could be said for cNed, when acend were good, he would step up everytime they're in danger and pull out massive performances against the biggest teams in the world.
For this game I'd say cNed >>> Derke
For a regular season Derke would destroy the other teams.

Even if they win LOCK/IN which is not garanteed, but are you forgetting that there was no FPX in 2021 masters or champs, and optic are the only team to go to every event except the first one, coming 2nd in Berlin 2021 and top 3 in every event in 2022.
Are we gonna forget all that because the FPX/NAVI won Copenhagen, came 4th in champs and now could win a single elim ambiguous tournament?
I'm all for EU and NA hater, but they haven't achieved nearly half as much as the optic roster.

Except they've made changes, and are playing a single elim tournament which is not even a masters against teams who were formed 2 months ago going into a new meta with 2 new maps.
Optic is, at least until the end of the 2023 season the best roster to ever play valorant.

Not really, he had some problems and decided it's best to leave.
After that he took a long break and didn't get to compete, until his recent LFT a few days ago.

Loud and NRG are insanely close, but since Loud won the recent match up I'd put them ahead.
Leviathan are clear of 100T and Furia who're close too and I can't decide who is better.
The rest 5 didn't play that much so I can't judge.

Bro has been the best and most consistent player for 2 years and now he's getting this kind of comments because he lost a single elim 1-2 where he was team MVP against DRX who're probably the favorites to win it all

Nah bro, they dropped him there's no troll.
The only blur is why, maybe he didn't like it or things didn't go well with his teammates, because it certainly wasn't due to his performance.

I'm sure he has his reasons to be upset with whatever riot and sentinels did, and I understand that, but the way he's going about it is definitely not the way.
For dephh's wife, she's overreacting and being mean for something that is none of her business, but she's not contracted to anyone so she's free to say whatever her opinion is.
Wether you agree with whatever sick is saying or not, he still seems the one in the wrong with the way he's acting.