If it’s round differential first why is tsm below guard if tsm have a better rd?

Anyone know how the tie breaker works for groups? I know round differential will be part of it somehow but anyone know the order of what is looked at first?

I think both teams are equally skilled in a completely non bias way. I’m a tsm fan but I consider myself to be a pretty non bias person. I’m making power rankings for the group stage for fun if you want to check it out and see. Regardless while we are 4-0 vs 100t and 100t did beat guard and xset I don’t think it’s fair to say who is better than the other this way. Each team has their own play style as well as their good and bad days. 100t beat guard when they were on a bad day and guard beat us when we were on a bad day. Y’all played really well today but I do think xset had an off day today. Cryo was terrible map 1 and zekken didn’t play as well in map 2. That’s not to take away from 100t’s win. Will played insane and bang came up with so many big plays. In end I think everyone in group a is pretty much on the same skill level. It just depends who pops off harder, who has a better day, who prepped more, things like that. No point in drawing these kinds of comparisons. It just makes each teams fan base hate another for no good reason. Congrats on y’all’s win today. Hope we make playoffs so we can play again.

I mean we lost to guard and are at the bottom of our group yet to play xset(probably best team in the group) and ghost(who we lost to in previous Mikey mouse tourneys). We’re on just as much hopium copium if we want to make it out of groups. This is why so many people hate tsm fans

I wasn’t watching the whole game so take everything with a grain of salt but I’m curious. Was optic just messing around/trying new things/not playing well or did Sean actually play a lot better than the last 2 weeks? I forgot the first map score line but I know optic ended map 2 with a 10-2 half. Sen managed to bring it back relatively close considering that score line.

As for tenz realistically what do yall think the chances are of him not being on send in the near future. I know sen paid like a 2 million dollar buyout but this “tenz is sick” narrative seems oddly familiar. Besides how sick does someone have to be to not be able to play when you consider rawkus has covid and still played. Thoughts?

I don't watch EU games lol. I do think it's fair to put them as an upset though. TSM had a great run to qualify and have been looking really good the first 2 weeks which is the exact opposite of Guard. I don't think Guard's previous run was a fluke but they definitely fell off a lot since

Ya I honestly can't say who is bootcamping. i just know Sen definitely aren't and TSM + 100T definitely are. Guard I can imagine are rest I just straight up don't know

Idk about LG but TSM has been bootcamping as well. I don't think that's a fair critique. I think most teams at this point have been bootcamping except for some notable ones like Sen and I don't think Optic are either

Y'all can argue about TSM vs Guard but going into the match TSM was looking a lot better than Guard these past 2 weeks so I consider it an upset. Then EG vs LG I would think LG would be favorite but honestly I feel like it wasn't even close. Interesting day imo.

They can still make playoffs for stage 2. They're not making it to lcq though. They missed all of stage 1 so they don't have enough points compared to other teams (guard, sen, lg, etc) who made both stages.

Watching this series and it just hurts to watch. It's like I'm watching a team of silvers who don't comm. Subroza whiffs on Saya then GMD just pulls out his smoke after knowing Saya is there and saw him jump down. Corey just walks around the corner without scoping like Trent couldn't be there and Rossy is just having fun on the rope. Earlier Rossy dies in jail to I think Net in maze. No comm Corey just runs around the corner on pipe looking up and gets rolled by Net. Then Seven just swings out of nest and hops on the zip and gets bodied. Subroza isn't even in position to defend he's all the way in the back still running up ramps. Guard played well but this is not the TSM from week 1 and 2. There was 0 coordination today and half the team looked lost af.

I mean they were top of NA after Stage 1 going into masters and then got double first rounded at lan. Then they came back and got blown out in week 1. They're all young players who are knew to the scene. It's really not that surprising their mental is down the drain now. If you watch them play you can just see they don't play with the same confidence and swagger they used to.

This is not a Sentinels hate thread but this iteration of Sentinels simply won't succeed and here's why. The players and their roles on the team simply aren't good enough to succeed. If we look at every other top tier team, such as Optic, Cloud 9, LG, XSET, etc, they all have a comp that Sentinels can't play. Each have their 1 Chamber main (yay, leaf/mitch, bdog, cryo), 1 duelist/flex player (victor, leaf, mada, zekken), 2 initiator flex or sage (crashies/fns, xeppaa/xeta/vanity, tigg/dazzle, bcj/dephh) and the controller players (marved, vanity/curry, moose/tigg, ayrin). Then you look at Sentinels roster of Tenz, Shahzam, Sick, Dapr, and Kanpeki and the roles they play. Tenz is a duelist player who wants to entry and create space. Shahzam is the igl with plays initiators. Sick is forced into the smoke role. Dapr is a sentinel player that plays viper occasionally. Kanpeki is the initiator flex player. They lack a Chamber main because none of these players fit into the role Chamber players. Tenz can't make the plays he wants on Chamber as compared to Jett. They lack a second duelist/flex player. Kanpeki is only on other initiators and no duelists. That further forces Tenz on Jett because they have no other entry/duelist players. Shahzam is the main initiator player which is whatever. Dapr is a sentinel player, something that pretty much no successful team has anymore. Even if Sentinels want to have him player Chamber, he's not able to play how other Chamber mains play because that's not his playstyle. Then Sick is stuck on a supportive role when he is one of the best flex players in the region. They either need to force player roles around to incorporate key agents that other teams use, which isn't ideal, or just rebuild the roster. The reality I think is the team needs to at least drop either Tenz or Sick. There's only room on the team for one of them to be an entry player and the other needs to be replaced with a Chamber main. I'm including Sick here because he should be taken of smokes and be put on duelist/initiator flex. Then drop Dapr for some dedicated smoke player.

Yes. I posted at the bottom that I made the list while the NRG/XSET game was going on and I forgot to shift the rankings afterwards.

Y'all so pressed about a tier list made by some random guy you don't know who literally said it's a for fun thing kinda funny lol

The short and honest reply to this is I was making the list while watching the NRG/XSET game and forgot to move around the rankings :). I would shift everyone above XSET down 1 and put XSET at 1 but ya.

If you just look at the first line of the post you would see I'm not taking anything but closed qualifier games into account. Yes Optic are also 2-0 but they got bodied 4-13 on arguably one of their better maps. Sure they haven't played any of the better teams but their games have, IN MY OPINION, shown they can easily compete with them and have a decent chance at upsetting them.

Recency bias... on a power ranking

based purely on Closed Qualifiers with no previous or outside tournaments taken into consideration.

Who would've thought

Thank you good sir

ya never mind I'm not insane. On to the actual list~~

ya never mind I'm not insane. On to the actual list~~

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= | 11. SEN - Another week in the books and another loss. Tenz struggled through the two games and, to no one's surprise, Sentinels lost both maps. While Sick attempted to keep the team alive, the rest of the team couldn't keep up. Kanpeki had an off series, going 24-39. Shahzam played decently but it still wasn't good enough. This team is just too reliant on Tenz popping off in order to win games. They kept both games close in a 11-13 and 10-13 series loss; however, EG is arguably one of the weaker teams in the group. The chances of this team making playoffs are getting slimmer and slimmer as they have yet to play the two juggernauts in Optic and Cloud 9. Faze is a beatable team for Sentinels but it is definitely not guaranteed.

= | 12. Guard - It hurts having to put them all the way at the bottom again but I can't justify putting them anywhere else. Getting blown out in Map 1 in a 1-13 loss is not a good look. They played a lot better in Map 2, winning 13-8 after a 9 round win streak to open the map; however, they later lost Map 3 8-13. Last week, I said to not expect them to be at the bottom for much longer. Not sure if that can be said after this week. This week pretty much eliminated them from playoff contention with a -27 round differential. It would take 3 extremely convincing wins and a blunder from other teams to give them a shot at playoffs. Keep in mind that this is a team full of young guns. They'll be back.

Note: This is based purely on Closed Qualifiers with no previous or outside tournaments taken into consideration.
Note 2: I am not a reporter or analyst. This list is purely something I'm doing for the fun of it and is based off my judgement. Feel free to disagree or critique.

Week 1

↑8 | 1. TSM - I mean what's there to say. They absolutely read 100T and put on an absolute clinic. Clearly they are the best team in the... ya never mind I'm not insane. On to the actual list~~

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↑2 | 1. LG - This is gonna be extremely controversial but I'm putting LG in the number 1 spot after this week. While they did play a weaker team in Faze and had a much closer score line than other teams, they are the only team not to be blown out and have a 2-0 record so far. Is that justifiable for moving them up to rank 1? Probably not for most of you but I think so. They are a strong consistent team that has the ability to make upsets throughout the next 3 weeks. However, they will face the 3 hardest teams in the group in the next 3 weeks. Will this ranking be proven correct or will I be clowned on for putting them up so high? Find out next week on Dragon... ok ya no let's just see in the next few weeks. They will likely not be in this spot next week but definitely do not sleep on them.

↓1 | 2. Optic - Honestly not sure what even happened this series. A 4-13 blowout loss to C9 followed by a 13-5 blowout win followed by a 13-10 nail biter win to close out the series. I mean it's content I guess? Optic played really sloppily on Icebox, only winning 4 rounds on defense before losing the map with 0 offensive wins. They flipped the script in Map 2 with a 9-3 half and winning 13-5 after conceding just 2 rounds to C9's attacking half. In Map 3, Optic lost the first 4 rounds of both halves before pushing back. Tied 6-6 at the half, Optic went down 6-10 before pushing back with 7 in a row on their defensive half to win the map and series 13-10. Are they running out of ideas, getting counterstrated, or just trying something new? Maybe all of the above. Loving the Victor Yoru though.

↑2 | 3. C9 - Again, what in the world happened this series. There really isn't much else to say about this series to refer to comments on Optic. All I'll add is they need to be able to close things out and not let opposing momentum ruin their tempo.

↑1 | 4. XSET - Another strong showing by the squad, they showed this series they have the ability to bounce back after a series of round losses. All of their players have the ability to pop off and are consistent. They have a pretty deep strat book and have cleaned up a lot of their weaknesses from week 1. This would probably be my favorite for winning the group after this map. The upcoming matches are definitely not easy ones but XSET will for sure be coming in as the favorites to win.

↑4 | 5. TSM - An absolute clinic of a series vs 100T. After shutting down a red hot 100T team, they are 3-0 vs 100T since Open Qualifiers. Arguably the underdogs coming into the match after 100T's series vs Guard, TSM came out swinging. Switching up roles to put Subroza back on Skye and gmd back on controllers seems to have paid off as they both looked much more comfortable on their respective agents. Corey and Seven have also swapped roles with Corey on Chamber and Seven on duelist flex. Despite the relatively convincing series win, I am not sold on the Corey/Seven role swap. Seven looked quite uncomfortable on Raze with his movement; on the other hand, Corey seemed comfortable on Chamber due to his history of OPing. Is the trade off worth it or would it be better to put them both on agents they are decently comfortable with? We shall see in the next few weeks. TSM definitely have what it takes to make the playoffs; however, it'll require performances like this if they wish to make it farther. Also, yes, I'll admit this is just a bit bias sue me.

= | 6. NRG - Two tough losses to XSET, both of which NRG's defense fell apart. A 6-6 half on Map 1, NRG only managed to win 2 rounds on the defense, losing 8-13. They started off strong Map 2 going 4-1 defensively before falling apart and losing 6 consecutive rounds and winning out the last going 5-7 at the half. Winning pistol and anti eco, they only won 2 more rounds before falling 9-13. After being undefeated since Open Qualifiers, they now drop the series 0-2. Good news is they got the other top team in the group out of the way.

↓5 | 7. 100T - After putting on a clinic against Guard in week 1, they struggled in week 2 vs TSM. After consistently beating TSM on Split, 100T went down 4-8 at the half. Going on the defense side, they managed to win some rounds but were never able to string together more than 2. Going back and forth, 100T weren't able to push past the 4 round deficit, losing 10-13. Map 2 was just a steamroll by TSM. They had no answer for Corey's Chamber or Seven's Neon. Site's weren't able to be held, retakes not succeeding, and flanks not providing much value. A 6-13 defeat, this scoreline would've been much worse had Derrek not come in clutch multiple times to try to keep the team alive. With this loss, Group A is up in the air on who will qualify. Are 100T good or did they just get lucky and play Guard at their worst? The next few weeks will provide that answer.

↓1 | 8. EG - They won their series vs Sentinels but in no way was it convincing. In fact, they put up a much better fight against Cloud 9 than they did Sentinels. Jawgemo, Boostio, and C0M all played well this series with Apoth being their anchor. Reformed on the other hand really struggled this series, going 24/35 and having the lowest ACS through the two maps with a 103. There's a lot this team needs to clean up if they're barely keeping up with a degrading Sentinels team. Though currently in the 4th seed, EG could easily lose their spot if they don't pull it together.

↑1 | 9. Faze - While Faze did lose their series this week, they made a convincing run at it. An 11-13 loss in map 1 and 12-14 loss in map 2 were both good showings of what Faze is capable of. They made a roster swap mid tournament and maybe it's paying off or maybe it's not. It's too early to tell but flyuh played pretty well in the series overall as well as coming clutch in Map 1 multiple times. They also played one of the, arguably, better teams in the group in LG. It's going to be a rough next few weeks; however, if they play well and win the next 3, they have a chance at making playoffs. Though difficult, it's definitely not impossible as they play Sentinels, EG, and C9. Their roughest match will be against C9 but they have the potential to pull off an upset.

↓2 | 10. Ghost - This is a risky take but hear me out. While they did win their series vs Guard this week, one map being a 13-1 stomp, I don't think they are better than other teams in the tournament at the moment. They played a team in a slump and still dropped a map in an 8-13 loss. Not to discredit Guard but if Ghost want to be serious contenders, they will need to continue to clean up some of these rounds. I will say it was hard to decide where to put Ghost this week but I had to put them down here, even after the 13-1 win. Again, this is a risky take that I know many will disagree with, probably the riskiest this week, but I have to put them here personally.

First off Corey is a walking W. I love how he literally talked about not discrediting NRG for their win over TSM. I would argue NRG is the best team in the group right now with Guard being in a slump. Respect to Corey for giving credit where credit is due.

Onto the actual team. Anyone else both like and dislike the changes? I like that they moved roles around for Roza and gmd. Gmd has always been a controller player and roza is known for his skye so it’s good he’s back on it. I’m not completely sold on Corey on chamber and seven on duelist flex yet tho. Seven looked a bit uncomfortable on the raze in map 1. He looked good on neon though. What I disliked was them swapping roles at this time. They went through all of pre open 1 Mickey Mouse tourneys and open 1 with gmd on flex roza on smokes seven chamber and Corey duelist. Now they’re changing on the second week. Seems a bit strange in terms of time but I mean they got it done so can’t complain too much. Thoughts?

I used to love watching toast because ya his personality is fun to watch. I can't explain it but just seeing him play the way he plays and be diamond bugs me. It's also not like he's not trying he clearly just doesn't know how to play the game well. If he wasn't a popular streamer, he would be flamed beyond belief. I think he should just play unrated if he's going to play with people like tarik. His rank is just so inflated.

Honestly, I used to like watching OTV and tarik but now watching them sometimes just annoys me. If you watch toast play val, you expect him to be like silver or gold. Then after the game is over you look at his rank and he's diamond. Man's mopping the floor with his crosshair, force buying every round, and looking around like he doesn't know what game he's playing and he's somehow diamond. Then you see he's playing with people like tarik and you understand how. Idk why but just something about it bugs me.

They played ok I think. I honestly question a lot of the plays they made and I think they're addicted to their knives. They just randomly start pulling their knife out and getting their head blown off. I think they looked slightly worse than their run in the Open Qualifiers; however, they still went toe to toe with NRG, a really good team. I think they can make the playoffs but it will be a close one. Pretty much, they can but don't be surprised if they don't.

Thank you for reading the literal first and last line of the post :D

As I said at the top, this is based purely on this weeks performance with no other factors in play. I don't think for a second Guard is even close to the worst team in the Closed Qualifiers. However, they were the only team to get blown out this week so they are at the bottom. Again, purely based on this week with no other tournament or outside factors taken into consideration.

I'm not convinced NRG should be that high up. They went toe to toe with TSM, a still unproven team. 100T blew out a proven team in Guard so I placed them a lot higher up.

I had trouble placing Faze too. While they did play against the best team this week, I thought, they just didn't put up that much of a fight imo. I put Ghost higher because I thought they showed a lot more potential. Maybe TSM higher was slightly bias but I think they played really well against NRG. Overall, I think both TSM and Ghost played better than Faze this week. Keep in mind this isn't a projection of future games just an analysis of this weeks game :D

This is based purely off of this weeks games. Guard as a team aren't that bad, no; however, they were the only team to get blown out this week. I rated LG this high because they only went 2-1 this week because Tenz dropped a 40 to win an overtime game. This is possibly too high for them but I do believe they are one of the best teams currently. Again, this is just my opinion but this is my reasoning :)

Note: This is based purely on Closed Qualifiers with no previous or outside tournaments taken into consideration.
Note 2: I am not a reporter or analyst. This list is purely something I'm doing for the fun of it and is based off my judgement. Feel free to disagree or critique.

1. Optic - Really strong showing against a team who came into the Closed Qualifiers relatively hot. While Victor did struggle, the rest of the team stepped up and won the series. Expected to take the first seed in Group B, they shouldn't struggle too much with their future opponents. Though currently tied with LG in round differential, I expect them to pull ahead in the next week or two.

2. 100T - Came into the Closed Qualifiers with something to prove and they showed up in this weeks game. With decisive 13-5 and 13-6 wins to close out the series, 100T beat out the predicted top team in Group A. They currently lead the qualifiers with the highest positive round differential at 15. A rapidly improving team, they could easily take the 1st seed in Group A if they continue to play at this level.

3. LG - Overall, a good showing in their match vs SEN. After a close Map 1, winning 13-11, and a close loss in Map 2, losing to a 40 kill Tenz 14-16, they dominantly closed the series in a 13-4 victory in Map 3. Bdog led the charge finishing the series 82/49/8, far above the rest of the pack. In the harder of the two groups, this team can easily qualify assuming they continue to play their game and Bdog shows up to each game the way he did this week.

4. C9 - Thought to be the second best team in the Closed Qualifiers, they struggled in Map 1 vs EG in a close 15-13 win before closing out the series 13-9 in Map 2. While still a strong team, they seemed to struggle vs a weaker team in EG. Regardless, this should be a team that easily qualifies for playoffs and will take the 3rd seed at the lowest, most likely taking seed 2.

5. XSET - This team came out swinging vs Ghost in Map 1, winning the half 8-4. After a series of unfortunate rounds, they managed to avoid overtime in a 13-11 victory. After going down 0-5 in Map 2, they brought the half back with 7 straight to win the half with a score line of 7-5. After giving up 4 more rounds, they closed out the series 13-9 to win the series 2-0. While strong, the team still has some clear weaknesses that need to be cleaned up.

6. NRG - A close 2-0 victory against TSM, they showed flashes of their true potential. Barely having to go into overtime in Map 1, they managed to close it out with a 15-13 victory thanks to s0m and tex. Despite going 8/16, hazed showed that he doesn't need to frag out to have impact with his strong play calling and depth in strats. NRG continued their momentum with an 8-4 score line at the half in Map 2. Though they struggled a bit more on the attack, they managed to close out the game 13-10 to win the series 13-10.

7. EG - They put up a good fight vs C9. While they have some issues to work through before next week, they have the potential to become one of the best in the region. All of their players are consistent fraggers and have the potential to swing rounds. Their strat book seems to be a bit thinner than most teams; however, their adaptability appears to be one of the best among the 12 teams.

8. Ghost - A good series by Ghost, they still have much to work on. While they have shown they can come back in Map 1, they have also shown their inability to close out games and maintaining leads. After almost achieving overtime in Map 1, they choked in the last round, losing to SMG's and eventually the map in 13-11 fashion. Despite this, they came back hot in Map 2 winning the first 5 rounds straight. However, they proceed to lose the next 7 and lose the map 13-9 after winning just 4 rounds on defense. If they are able to clean these rounds up, they can be a dark horse in the playoffs.

9. TSM - The first team to pull out Fade, they made some good players with the new agent. After a 6-6 half, Map 1 became a nail biter after another 6-6 half to force overtime. After such a close game, a tough 15-13 loss gave NRG the first point. Going into Map 2, TSM went down 8-4 at the half on their own map pick. Though they managed to bring it close with some dominant rounds, they eventually lost 13-10, subsequently losing the series. They have showed improvement since then Open Qualifiers and have the potential to become another dark horse in the playoffs if they clean up some of their plays and expand their strat book.

10. Faze - A tough loss to arguably the best team in the tournament. Judging by their match history, they struggle to win when both BABYBAY and dicey don't step up, something neither of them did in this series. Their strat seems to revolve around these two players to frag out, similar to that of Sen and Tenz. A weaker strat book compared to the rest of the teams, Faze still have a strong roster that can compete at a high level.

11. Sen - From the best in the world to second to last in this list, Sen struggled in this week's matchup vs LG. After a close loss in Map 1, losing 13-11, they were able to bring Map 2 back 14-16. However, this came only from Tenz dropping 40 kills before getting blown out 13-4 in Map 3. If Sen want to make it out of groups, they need to clean things up and start fixing their issues. Winning a map only due to a 40 bomb is not replicable and cannot be their strategy through the rest of the upcoming matches, especially when barely winning the map.

12. Guard - A favorite going into week 1, they got completely blown out by 100T. Their plays were sloppy and their shots were not hitting. While Sayaplayer did his best to keep them afloat, neT struggled to keep pace going 9/32 in the series. However, this team is full of young talent and has proven time and time again they have what it takes to play against the best. Don't expect them to be at the bottom for much longer.

I mean I don't think they're bad but that's how it is. What team is more hated and meme'd on this year so far than Sen? They've been getting clowned since failing to make Masters 1. Not my opinion or hate towards them just how it is by the community.

Sen already won something. They won the award for being most hated and meme'd on team this year.

What are your predictions for group stages? For those who don't know Group A: Guard, XSET, NRG, TSM, 100T, Ghost and Group B: Optic, C9, Faze, LG, EG, Sen
My Predictions:

Group A: Guard > NRG > XSET > TSM/100T > Ghost. Whoever wins in the TSM vs 100T match will take the 4th spot. Top 3 are debatable but I still think Guard has best chance at first seed and NRG can outplace XSET.
Group B: Optic > C9 > Faze > LG/EG > Sen. Whoever wins in EG vs LG match will take 4th spot. C9 could take first seed over Optic but I still think Optic will take first. No hate to Sen but I don't think they have it in them to qualify. Sen lost to LG in open 1 and EG beat V1 who, at this point, feels like the better team.

Here's my take on it. I think Guard is getting a lot of flak for washing out of Masters that early; however, I still think they are an insane team and are still one of the best teams in NA currently. With that said, I personally don't think they are trying their best in scrims. Maybe they are maybe they aren't. As much as I want TSM to succeed and go on to win international LANs, it's hard to believe that they went from barely qualifying for Stage 2 with close games against Faze and 100T to pretty much steamrolling Guard. Here's where it get tricky though. Faze and 100T are both new teams in terms of roster so we don't know how they stand compared to Guard. Maybe they're better maybe they aren't. Either way, I think a lot of these teams show promise if they keep up their progression but it's still too early to say anything about how good these teams are until we got to the actual group stage competition and not just scrims and open qualifiers.

I feel like 90% of people on this site think flair means everything. I am a TSM fan but I'm not delusional just like you're a SEN fan but you're not delusional. We know if something will work or not. Giving criticism and not supporting every dumb move our flair team makes apparently makes us fake fans.

Chillin in Texas cause they qualified for groups. Where is Sentinels? Didn't they get a bye too? Sentinels fans keep bringing up past victories like it means anything. I can accept the fact that we were terrible 2021 cause I'm just a fan not a delusional one. Can you accept Sentinels aren't good anymore? Doubtful

Don't remember seeing Sentinels at masters. Oh right I forgot this isn't 2021 Sentinels got double first rounded by Guard and Version 1 unlucky.

The Hopium Copium is no more for we have qualified. Still a lot to work on but we made it this far!

100T and TSM both fighting in the qualification map. Where is Steel? Washed out in Losers round 2 lmao. Wardell left because he couldn't move to Texas due to personal obligations. Different scenario. Good take

Ever since Ro32 we have always lost Map 1 and came back Maps 2 and 3 except against Faze. We are in our comfort zone.

TSM fans on all the hopium copium available. Wish they know when they're outclassed. I want TSM to win but LG is just more disciplined with better strats and aim right now.

Yep lil man my argument is invalid because you don't agree with it. You think I'm getting emotional cause I bring out stats that you can't read it's kinda funny ngl. I can tell you straight up that SugarZero has far better util usage than Marved. Sure Marved has lurks and clutches but how many of his lurks failed? He's also put in so many clutch scenarios because he lurks so much. Stats aren't everything but they give an idea of impact in a team environment. I can guarantee if I didn't pull up the stats you would try to use his higher stats as reasoning. Quit fanboying and use some logic in your arguments. Stay mad man no point in arguing with an illogical person.

Right so if he kills a guy and spends 25 years in jail but then comes out changed and feels bad about what he did he just magically becomes not a murderer. Yknow because human growth. "Oh it's not the same" It is because that's the person he is. He'd rather keep his mouth shut than defend someone because of his friendship. Same reason why everyone respects Tarik even those who aren't fans of him. He doesn't support JasonR's bs and speaks out against it even if they're friends cause he knows it's wrong.

Yep cause you definitely know what everyone is thinking and what their opinions are based on. Maybe if you looked at the stats provided by the literal website you're on you'd know that it is actually close and SugarZero is better based off opinion not fanboy bullshit like you. But sure let me do the work for you.

Marved has 37 more rounds played, 3.1 higher acs, same kd, 2% less KAST, 0.2 less average damage a round, 0.01 less kills per round, .02 more assists per round, .04 more first kills per round, .02 more first deaths per round, 2% higher headshot %, 6% higher clutch %, 26 more kills, 23 more deaths, and 22 more assists.

37 more rounds is roughly 2 games. With 2 extra games, he has 26 more kills, 23 more deaths, and 22 more assists. With some basic math you probably lack that's 13 kills, 11.5 deaths, and 11 assists per extra game that averages 18.5 rounds. What great stats huh. Hate all you want the stats are right there. I literally said he's good but ya I'm not giving him credit lmao. Sums up your brain capacity in 2 sentences.

Only to those who were disrespectful to me first. Even then not to that extent. Sorry I was raised properly.

If you think he's the best there is I mean you're just wrong. If you're talking about players his own teammate yay is better than him. If you're talking about being a smoke player still think SugarZero is a better player. He's good just not the best.

Matchfixing and the whole Shanks-Kyedae situation that happened early on in the game. I just don't like disrespectful people.