I love this team so much, and because I watch so much VCT.I can see the issues with SEN so easily, obviously im watching from a spectators POV so I cant talk about playing during the match but thats just my analysis. This is why stage 1 was so bad btw, they just went back to have they played in stage 1 and teams couldn't anti them in champs. EDG luckily fought SEN after they show this so they can do what SEN had issues with before.

Haven is easily the best map for retakes, so SEN playstyle is perfect on that map. As for Sunset you cannot be playing retake especially on B site without killing at least one or two guys. Its ok to go 3v3. It means less spam/utility so its easier to stick bomb.

This is just my opinion on SEN vs EDG match, they looked really good on Haven but just forgot how to play other two maps.

Problem with SEN Sunset Defense: From watching their match vs DRX/EDG. The benefit of Neon is that shes one of the fastest rotating agents, show Zekken one side and have him rotate somewhere else. Default your setups, have breach/fade utility on A to fake SEN are fighting with Cypher setup (this baits them to think cypher is on the opposite site, when you actually fast rotated 3 players to that site) there and then have 2 guys rotate off, you can leave Tenz to hold the one way after. Break the cam should always be priority, because then if EDG defaults like the have been doing, they will be more afraid to clear A/B main. Make less obvious trap plays, they are too basic and everyone knows the mid push down with breach stun, to counter contacting up you should play an off angle because it's guaranteed like one, with a good chance of 2. Have Zekken/Tenz buy an OP, also counters contacting up. My point is don't make it too obvious with defense, retake one side and heavy side one is the too easy to read. I know SEN know this an issue, because they have fixed it before but they forgot because they haven't played Sunset in a while im not sure. Have backsite control on B, helps a lot with flooding out, EDG used zero utility backsite and just planted and left. You can punish this type of playstyle with a Flood. Have someone jiggling B main for info, so you can have faster rotates. TO BE FAIR TO SEN, there was a lot of close rounds on B retake so they did get a bit unlucky but you should not be playing 5v5 retake on B Sunset bro, thats just stupid.

As for Lotus: SEN defense was fine 6-6 on attack sided map is very good but for some reason on attack they were too scared to fight A or at least rush C off it. Johnqt hears 3 players on A, and they have no breach stun/mollies to stop your C hit, go hit C sooner. How is Kaplan not saying in the timeouts that only Smoggy is holding the line on C. I'm also confuse why SEN never fought A once on their attack, the one round they did they took A rubble so easily. Just to leave and go C for some reason. They have no Raze nade to stop Zekken/Tenz to cross rubble why are we not fighting A at all?

That's exactly my point, SEN defense is too readable. Yes they have the best retakes in champs rn but doesn't mean you should always be relying on it, especially on a bomb spam like Sunset B main.

Problem with SEN Sunset Defense: From watching their match vs DRX/EDG. The benefit of Neon is that shes one of the fastest rotating agents, show Zekken one side and have him rotate somewhere else. Default your setups, have breach/fade utility on A to fake SEN are fighting with Cypher setup there and then have 2 guys rotate off, you can leave Tenz to hold the one way after. Break the cam should always be priority, because then if EDG defaults like the have been doing, they will be more afraid to clear A/B main. Make less obvious trap plays, they are too basic and everyone knows the mid push down with breach stun, to counter contacting up you should play an off angle because it's guaranteed like one, with a good chance of 2. Have Zekken/Tenz buy an OP, also counters contacting up. My point is don't make it too obvious with defense, retake one side and heavy side one is the too easy to read. I know SEN know this an issue, because they have fixed it before but they forgot because they haven't played Sunset in a while im not sure.

As for Lotus: SEN defense was fine 6-6 on attack sided map is very good but for some reason on attack they were too scared to fight A or at least rush C off it. Johnqt hears 3 players on A, and they have no breach stun/mollies to stop your C hit, go hit C sooner. How is Kaplan not saying in the timeouts that only Smoggy is holding the line on C. I'm also confuse why SEN never fought A once on their attack, the one round they did they took A rubble so easily. Just to leave and go C for some reason. They have no Raze nade to stop Zekken/Tenz to cross rubble why are we not fighting A at all?

Fuck SEN, they are playing like pussies man.

Well I did ask for a map 3 but SEN should of had Lotus, their attack half is the best side on that map. Johnqt was just not reading EDG at all. Also hitting C very late fucked them everytime, if they hit C they just need to hit it faster. Johnqt hears 3 people on A, not sure why he never called it.

They hit C with like 20 seconds left, they never rushed C. EDG literally did the same A rubble control every round. C rush is guaranteed a plant. They also never tried to fight A, I'm not sure why I feel like they win those type of gunfights, they don't have a nade to stop Zekken/Tenz from crossing rubble.

Johnqt why we playing so slow against Chinese teams? They play the most basic defense ever bro, 2 1 2 cmon man where are your reads. They have no sentinel or mollies to stop a C hit, just go fucking C jesus christ.

Drop the ego clown, G2 is out of the tournament.

Are we still questioning if SEN is overated? 2-0 every matchup except for their first loss to GENG. G2 struggled against EDG, Trace beat LEV, and EDG destroyed Trace. TH struggled against GENG/FPX. Like SEN just destroying every team. Im glazing until people realize SEN are just too good rn

EDIT: I Jinxed them, Johnqt calling is horrible after I said this LMAO

I knew SEN were good, but wow they are playing even better than Madrid somehow.

Im talking about 2024? Where did I mention Fnatic huh. If SEN win champs they are the best team of 2024, even if they missed one LAN. Idk about you I rather attend 2/3 LAN but win the whole event then, going to all the events.

He's the best OPer imo, CNED does some crazy shots, but Kangkang with an OP is legit crazy Aura. I would be scared to play against him if bro had an OP.

wait until they win Champs, they will be the best team of 2024. 2 trophies (champs/madrid)> 1 trophy (shanghai)

Are you trolling bro? I never said that was an anti, go watch Sideshow video about it. Im not explaining to someone on VLR especially on what is an anti strat.

Considering they have been leaving Abyss open as a 3rd map, makes me think they have been practicing a lot probably. They just haven't shown it because they don't want to get Anti. I expect Abyss in the EDG game, just watch.

GENG played worse because SEN anti them very hard, go watch Sideshow videos he gives very depth anti strat from that match. Im not saying TH will lose to SEN, but saying we wont get a map is just disrespectful bro. Give some respect to SEN, they have been dominating.

Good luck bro, I dont really care about EDG but I do really like Kangkang,

SEN are also very very good on Sunset, they have an 82% wr on it (which might be the highest I think on that map). My only issue is that they suck at closing out Sunset for some reason, I guess teams adapt well to SEN defense im not sure. They always win in OT though for some reason idk what it is but they rarely ever lose in OT, only time was to LEV when Aspas dropped 50 in one map.

SEN the team that won 2-0 against DRX/GENG/FPX not getting a map when TH went 3 maps all being close. Good one bro

They are calling SEN the "villains" because they are destroying their home teams GENG/DRX.

How is SEN winning champs a weird result, they got a lucky bracket and are playing the best ive seen this year, even better than Madrid if im being quite honest. Bro just hating because Trace got eliminated.

I've been noticing that a lot of these teams have been trolling their map vetos in this tourney including GENG, Im not sure why they picked Icebox against SEN. Just because it was their perma banned???

EDG has been looking pretty good so far, they should of won vs G2 if im being honest. Hoping for a good match Kangkang vs Zekken/Tenz should be a fun one

True these games are looking insane we haven't seen SEN vs EDG before (the matchup im most excited for, was sad EDG lost in Madrid before facing SEN), and also LEV vs TH. Lower bracket not sure how to feel yet until I actually see the matchups.

Yeah it sadly has been, next few games look exciting but could be stomps again. Also I wasnt expecting Fnatic to win vs G2, so im impressed that they fixed whatever issue they had, that Haven game was perfect. GL rest of tourney

Title, well I didn't expect at the top level of teams to be getting stomped 2-0 or 0-2. Kinda was hoping for 3 maps, champs getting a bit boring knowing SEN is winning it all.

Im not that worried about EDG tbh, their playstyle kinda reminds me of PRX. SEN is very good against teams that like taking heavy gunfights.

I need G2 to lose, they counter SEN playstyle so easily. SEN win champs against any other team.

Where the fuck is EDG vs G2?

To be fair it makes more sense in champs than in region because these are the best of the best teams in the world. Not saying its ok but games like this will happen unfortunately.

LEV 2-1 TH

I hope so I love EDG so im hoping for a 3 map series, 2 maps stomp are awesome but it gets a bit boring.

EU won 2 trophies last year, calm down.

Sacy been playing well in champs so far and I haven't seen him do that crouch spray as often anymore unless im blind. For example against DRX 2v1 against foxy9 he strafed pre fire killed foxy9 after Johnqt died. Anyways Sacy was 2nd in rating before playoffs, and that was after 3 games twice vs GENG a very strong aim heavy team. His sheriff shots were the crucial reasoning we won against GENG too. He's playing well so far so don't need really see the point of this post tbh.

T3xture not top 5? DF

They were saving strats for playoffs is crazy ngl, Neon on Haven is why. Zekken was one of the best Neons back on xset and he hasn't played her since the buffs so I guess we see now they were saving it for playoffs.

They might of scrimmed them early on Abyss and didn't like it + they have zero knowledge how good SEN are abyss why risk it when there is plenty of data to show SEN sucks at Haven

True last round of Lotus of SEN vs GENG we didn't see the one tap from Tenz at all.

I just realized EDG/SEN map pool is very similar.
SEN wins Lotus, Haven, Sunset, and Icebox
they lose on Ascent and maybe Abyss (not sure since SEN haven't played it yet)
As for bind thats a 50/50 but SEN did look good on it vs FPX.
Sorry bro its 2-0 SEN

For this year, Pacific is second best. Emea better than China the worst region even if they won against Lev, they are known for playing bad internationally. Well we will see what region is the best out of champions, but thats my current rankings.

I can say the same thing for SEN choking a 11-7 lead, doesn't matter how it happened it did. The game went OT because they punished DRX for trying to take space.

G2 is so good in Bo3 but dogshit in bo5 so take that into account.

Only TH looks good tbh, rest of EMEA not looking great including Fnatic sorrry.

Maybe but not yet, I can't see DRX losing to Trace.

Maybe but could be possible, SEN played Fnatic during Madrid so they probably played some teams in APAC that are out of champs.

Now they lost three times in their opening match, does that mean they are 3/4 for champs playoff opening loses now? I don't quite understand what your point is tbh.

Maybe they scrimmed SEN and lost every abyss game against them? Or maybe they have an anti for Icebox?

SEN 2-0 EDG, sorry EDG is good but SEN anti strats are too good for EDG. They are my fav Chinese team so I wouldn't mind a 3rd map.