All brazilians? Nice one dude, and i do not hate Mwzera, i think he is an amazing players that has had bad luck, but the thing i said was true, his only international was because of ntk, not cause he "earned it".

Nice one trying to deflect the conversation.

I am not a moral compass, and you can appreciate whoever you want, but even if you don't like a team, they won Champions and did it in a good way, defeating every team including Mwzera.

That's called growing up.

I understand now why you can't.

Calling NA bots members of the most constant team in 2022 while using the Fnatic flair, nice one dude.

You have Xand to rund the second duelist

You are really seeing dAveeys doing good and you wanna put Axeddy on duelist?

Mwzera has only gone to 1 international and that because ntk hit his partner, not because he qualified.

FROM COLOMBIA PAPI

Well, not racist but gordophobic, but still applies that he is not better than Cryo.

Yeah, dgzin the racist that got fucked in champs (his only international) will diff Cryo.

Aged well dude.

You really calling them Chokerx using a Fnatic flair?

DRX was not outstratted, they were out aimed, you can see the moment when BBL realized they are turkish and were able to do the turkish peek

It does not proves anything, they picked it against Giants because it was the safest bet to do it.

They learn from these maps and they know what worked for Giants and what it didnt for them.

except getting out of groups

You think NaVi and Liquid will only have strats for 1 series and then repeat? Lol.

This meta change is showing how Aspas is dependent on Jett, which eve if he is the best Jett (Which he isnt) it's a proof that it won't take long until he need to change or be forgotten

I certainly don't watch CiS since the stream were only on Russian, but either way, you can believe that Cloud is better than Trexx, still he needs to prove himself

This isnt CS tho, Valorant is as big if not bigger than other regions

Saying that he is better than Trexx is a stretch given the facts that trexx has been proven against OpTic/NRG, and Cloud only to Detonation, but we will see

I agree that Cloud is very good, however he is not better than NRG.

How many trophies does Cloud have?

He is the IGL as well

I heard the other team told him to stop but he refused, funny how life and game are close to each other.

I remember that OpTic lost many scrims against VRL Team while in EMEA, yet ended up being the best team throughout 2022, it's almost as it scrims didnt mean that much about the competition.

"Best initiator" a but of an stretch, specially since the "era" was 1 split.

He wanted to try, it's an offseason match, obviously he won't be the best igl right away, but just let him be, this tournaments means the same as your opinions, nothing.

I mean we all know that the all in C9 would have won fair and square, and of course FOKUS took a map off VIT, they have way more firepower and against new teams that's is the difference you can make.

Fair enough about KRU being a new roster, but i was talking more about the org itself, like they are always doing heartstopping series

I mean, yeah, but we also know that KRU is a late game team and, not to disrespect FOKUS because i fucking love JUGI and Lewis and they should have been in franchise, but C9 kind of threw first match

Cry me a river

I mean not to disrespect, but KRU did beat them

https://twitter.com/KRUesports/status/1601378348852445184?s=20&t=JmqOrrBHOFrQPsAI-iOddw

i mean, top 3 at champions must be skill

I mean, he is not wrong tho, Bstrdd did trashtalk them.

GLD Smurfette and NaVi cNed

They had to present an initial roster TO Riot, not publicly

They won the Regional Finals, they have insane players, maybe they won't do any dmg at first but they are a team to always keep an eye on, especially since FUT's plan is to build a coach project around them, so they will literally end up building talent like crazy.

Max 9th depending on Fut roster.

No need to spend money to be in the 10th position.

Sinatraa is known fro not respecting the "no", so maybe if Vitality denies he'll come

KRu didn't dropped Keznit, he left.

Because "Negotiations can suddenly clhange in a day".

He literally answer you and are still arguing

Sometimes*

Experienced FRZ qualifying for two lans in 2021, learning ALONG Sacy, Saadhak and Bzka and being top player in Paladins ALONG Saadhak*

Munchkin live in Korea for the majority of this year and Xeta moved January last year to the US.

As far as i Know Ban has lived in the US all his life, so he will take more time to gather things and moved to the other side of the world.

As far as i know, pAncada, Less and Aspar are terrible.

And you need to keep in mind that even tho comms may be fine, they need more than that, they need to build strats mid match or come out with specific new situation, and all the chemistry that comes from hanging out, livin together won't be there.

As i said, i do not care about ACS. Jingg, Keznit and Asuna have been playing at the top for a long time, and i have watched them a lot, that's why i didnt mention Kingg, i haven't seen him and i dont intent too.

Yeah either way my point stands, there are better than Mw and Nukkye and i don't know why they are still being names as "The best ones"

Kingg's stats are "corrupted", he has the highest ACS but with less than half the rounds that the other have played.

Plus i do not care about ACS, but the gameplay itself, and i haven't pay attention to Kingg.

I guess scream can make it, but i dont think further than the ones i mentioned.

Even without the results, Victor is not playing raze that much, but he plays entrys and aplies the same principles, not like Mwzera or Nukkye which play initiators.

Nukkye and Mwzera don't even play Raze that much in their own teams, Victor is an entry main and has done good in Raze.

I didnt put Scream cause he doesnt have "The best Mechanics" and i don't consider Kingg worth mentioning here but i understand your point.

Victor, Jinggg, Keznit, Zekken, Zyppan, Alfajer, Asuna.

We have those insane player, and people argue whether Nukkye or Mwzera is the best raze lol

Yeah, we get it, you don't like Xeppa.

But your comment makes no sense in this thread.