so they did bad in 2/4 events. thats not horrible

not bad but m8's also has a good bind

THEY BEAT THE RECORD

I mean thats kinda what I said but yeah

im only comparing the main vct channel for both

its worse but still better than the international viewership

yep, they have the talent and economy to do well, I just hope they take this masters result to heart

• yoru
• intiator util being less
• bad coaches/igl

This yoru meta is just not for them
Their IGL/Coaches need work
Extra intiator utility to make up for bad calls is also gone

They kinda actually have to play as a team micro wise and china sucks at that

4/5 in tier 1
3/5 in tier 2
any amount below tier 2

Played similarly, but didnt aim like this. AG were never good macro wise, their macro is worse than even majority of china, they just kinda were really good shooters and didnt shoot in masters

"yo we are dogshit, lets go send death threats and doxx these dogs who represent us"

I believe in f4ngeer

150 on them

nvm i thought it was worldend

a certain magical index s3

KK is never leaving china, he is too patriotic and a lot of CN fans would hate on him.

back in 2024 when they got shit on by loud in madrid, kk talked about how he had gotten offers from other regions but if he left people would call him a traitor

That 2021 VS - 2022 DRX roster is just so iconic, I cant see stax or buzz as non DRX players

why would you say demon1

he has 1 trophy (including domestic)
1 runner up
0 longevity or consistency
0 flexibility
a single mvp
doesnt igl or shotcall
isnt versatile
doesnt have that good of a mentality
didnt redefine the game

friend introduced me to sc

got zurg rushed first time ive ever played, never built my pylons in peace again

18 this year

and was any other emea team making playoffs?

what..? you think vitality was making it big then? heretics?

guess im just a bum then

"TL usual frauds"

"fnatic"

I miss elysium and when bait was good

depends on the team. but generally duelist must frag because they are the one being set up.

if the team is setting up someone else, yeah duelist can be mild

rank 1 dont get more than 3 rounds

even if they are pros they are gettign destroyed

unironically could yeah

the draw overall is fine

what shouldve been done is that only the teams that went 0-1 face the teams that went 1-0 instead of it being random

ur cooking

i just wanna talk about the topic I like :(

i mean its set up to dominate, the question is just when. becasue we are are very from it, if good coaches and IGL's start flooding in then we can start talking about this

king_bob making a genuinely good post..?

im proud of you king

cuz there are direct counters to the comp. its not like the ascent comp where its 100% the best.

why am i pressing buttons to press buttons....... the old menu was fine

Early Franchising

I see your point, but most of the chinese teams currently have good talent, the IGL's and intiators in general are lacking but they have quite the few worldclass controller, sentinel and duelist players <- including imports cuz they play in china

Hard to scout talent

I mean, its better documented in china, and the teams scouting are from china. its not like they use vlr in china unless your an international coach (then maybe?) but overall tier 2 there is a bit of a mess I agree. Like Erv is insane but I genuinely have 0 clue where he came from.

Lack of leadership

100% and the biggest reason why china is bad and they coaches/igls they import usually are bad or just not to the level of international teams (due to language barrier)

Constant travel

I mean yeah, but this isnt that big of a deal imo

Language barrier

I mean yeah but this only applies to certain teams and the imports they choose. but it does limit they type of imports they can bring most of the time unless the roster decides to switch to english like XLG you mentioned before

overall I agree quite a bit but the traveling and early franchasing arent that big of a deal. id focus more on leadership and language barrier

what have they done to the valorant menu bro...... why is this game a mobile app

1. Scared to state your own team
2. Look at OCE Premier tracker

nothing more to say to a chronic ragebaiter 0/8

uh huh. sure buddy

igl for non igl??

whatever you say my man

miniboo is good tho

I dont know. Im not a tier 1 coach, and they surely know more than me.

but like I play in tier 2 and I just copy tier 1 strats, to somewhat decent effect

I dont understand why these chinese teams dont just copy how to play Yoru, like you dont have to copy everything. but like surely sitting with setting him up as an insert then leaving cant be that hard

you see, this doesnt ragebait me because I know you dont think that

he does yeah, just not the fit for EDG

Solarex, 13th in OCE invite (which is the same as OCE VCL)

state yours

not true, on the surface its good BUT

it lacks info, making calls much worse for chinese teams, where their mistakes are more apparant. in higher info meta's chinese teams can better disguise their bad macro with additional info which forces them to make easy calls

yoru, china has 0 good yoru utility, every single player who plays yoru in china just arent good at it, they shoot tell but thats it, their utility, their tp management, their uses of the clone, their flash set ups, their ult usage and management all terrible, their setup of yoru in good positions.
they play yoru because its meta, but they dont know anything about what makes yoru good.

Chinese teams do love running into the enemy team but EDG not only dont play double duelist, they also havent played super aggressively since champs 2024 and before that it was back in lock//in 2023

i think this take ragebaits me more than "remove china as a region" because some people genuinely believe this will help signifigantly

Yes, I do. I IGL a team and we are top 20 in OCE.

You are right in the sense a coach doesnt tell when players are meant to peek, but thats not my point.
If you lack info, lack space, or put into a bad postion, the natural reaction is to peek.

why is this the case? because its the only way to win, you have to over rely on your mechanics to win out bad positions or use your body to clear information due to lack of it.

this is overly apparant with the lack of info meta, so people are doing it more often.
China as region as a whole overpeeks (XLG dont really do it until the late rounds) now how does that make sense? its because they are putting themselves in worse positions more times than other teams and are forcing themselves to clear with bodies instead of utility.

again, yes kangkang as a player overall does ego peek more than the average player, but the poor macro of EDG is definitely not helping

FUT isnt the worse of these teams LOL