yep, its gonna pretty much "which star player can bail out a team more" gameplay

edgs cohesion is pretty good, they just overheat a lot

so apac is minor minor region?

youll never know mine, its impossible.

true but seeding historically doesnt matter

1. winning meaningless bo5 but losing numerous important ones isnt a good track record. face it prx was never gonna beat fnatic who lost to two teams the entire year.
2. having a close game with a good team has historically not mattered when scaling how good another team is.

is this a joke? why does saadhak speaking portuguese matter

dominated? they didnt even make all 3 lans this year. fnatic lost 3 games I believe all year round

calling tokyo a fluke is crazy. considering prx cant win a b05
the mickey mouse format only had 2 teams that were good that didnt do well in lock//in. both teams made roster changers afrer lock//in...
optic should be the only ones questioned for visa issue tournament wins

rn? experience. but as an org overall? kinda just need to luck out icl

theres only like 3 brazilian teams? why port S tier

0.) True, didnt realise that.
1.) Beating rookie teams that cant find success means your run was easier. I would rather have extra vods than less practice any day
2.) if heretics or karmine won a game against a competent team in madrid (literally anyone but fpx), I would agree .
5,) yeah, as sen dont need to have the most champ points in the league to go on, sen also dont need to win in playoffs

We need more overall consistency for it to be official, if china can always outplace pacific, then we have a talking point. or if china wins a trophy -0-/ in all honesty if china lifts a trophy by next year, they might be the best region considering the opportunity to life one compared to the other regions. otherise in my non bias opinion 1.) AMER 2.) EMEA 3.) APAC 4.) CN

the only breakthrough pacific has had that isnt prx, drx and geng were zeta I believe. and needless to say I believe zeta had the flukiest of fluke runs ever

Chronicle - 3 trophies, best in the world multiple times
Yay - most dominant anyone has been in a full year in all of val
Aspas - consistently a top player
TenZ - most famous and well known player
Derke?
Forsaken?

debatable many had them going far, sen I would say were the madrid favourites

1.) Had to go through LOUD, 100t, LEV, NRG for Kickoff and won - LEV, NRG had 0 synergy at this point. 100T were not a top team yet. Loud were good tho
2.) Beat both EU teams at Madrid Swiss Stage and basically eliminated them - both eu teams were rookie squads that together only beat an extremely weak fpx
3.) Destroyed favorites PRX 3-1 and beat GenG in Madrid final despite having worse map pool & no map ban advantage - True
4.) Fell off Split 2, usually hard to recover form (look at NRG) - fell off at split 1 actually, split 2 they did ok
5.) Clutched Champs by points, voted most overrated team - qualifying through champ points is an easier overall run
6.) Went through group of death and eliminated favorites GenG - True
7.) Beat DRX convincingly - True
8.) Beat EU first seed despite just loosing to EDG - True
9.) Guaranteed Top 4 - True
10.) I don’t think another team could have done this - not true
11.) SEN is clearly one of the top 3 teams this year - winning a trophy makes you top 3 by default
12.) and if they make finals I would argue that they were the best team this year. - GenG have better achievements, not winning split 1 or 2 and not making an international event isnt a dominant showing. Heretics and EDG are up there if they win champs.

• if sen win champs, they will be the best team this year yes.

If sen win champs:
1) SEN 2) GENG 3) HERETICS
if sen make grandfinals and EDG win champs:
1.) GENG 2.) SEN 3.) EDG (you can argue edg > sen)
if sen dont make grandfinals then they cannot be 2 or above unless LEV win champ

worst take ive ever seen + without any cocky players the game would be boring + zellsis is more cocky

I really hate both roles icl, i much prefer the flashy plays of duelist

I dont play the game much pretty new

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/EDG%20kangkang%23kang/overview

give some tips

also they might stuggle against lev

edg ban ascent/icebox
lev ban bind
edg pick sunset (60/40) in favour of edg
lev pick ascent/icebox (20/80) in favour of lev
edg ban abyss
lev ban lotus
haven remainder (40/60) in favour of lev

really? edgs haven is scrappy and very poor compared to a team like fnatic, edgs bind, icebox and I would throw in abyss look messy, edgs ascent is bad

edg have a good lotus (100% wr) and good sunset (100% wr)
besides that they have only found success on bind (2-1)
and they have yet to play abyss or ascent (floated both a couple times but never confident to pick it and the last two showing of the map isnt pretty)

oh yeah, 3 years ago you wouldve said ascend is a bad team, so I dont wanna hear none of this bs

do you honestly want those teams up there? after their performance all year round?

classic L by Stormm

tmv would disagree lol, bro was NOT happy with s1mon and kk

thats an easy part to fix as well, just let the aggressive lurker have a ghost fix up some of that coordination, tone it down a bit and it should be good to go. lucky its not like a midrounding problem because thats much harder to tighten up, if edg fix anti-ecos they are looking strong

"vitality are frauds" "lev did not play to the quality the have in the last few series" "fut are just happy to be there" "prx are shit" "Riot made it cn vs cn so cn can make top 6 again" "edg arent good, they shit on a fraudulant team" "te are rushing to get sent home by drx, frauds exposed" "sen did not play to the quality the have in the last few series"

so many damn excuses when cn win bruh

if drx win abyss its like 70/30 for drx

yeah but edg and sen like the same maps, in all honesty this was probably the ideal veto for both teams. thats why edg is better than lev because lev like different maps

no one worth your time is calling aspas bad

th historically have had a terrible icebox, a half decent icebox team like koi could beat them, they looked much better at icebox against lev but it shows lev arent unbeatable on that map

it was levs second best map coming into champs and probably the best ascent team in champs (along slide geng) before the world knew how good trace were

didnt you know? we have a lock//in 5 masters and 2 champions next year with 0 off season

smoggy??? berlin??? nats????/

• comes from nowhere
• replaces the igl
• wins china stage 2
• refuses to express his emotions
• goes to champs
• brings china to top 3 for the first ever
• gives another introverted interview

what a player, saviour for EDG fr

prx broke all their confidence on that map lol, but also edg hate ascent, and sen hate ascent, lev love ascent

my only experience with tarik is he put trace vs vitality on his alt account which was pretty dog of him to do

im genuinely so glad to see him as well, he was always a funny guy and seeing him have so much energy despite no playing is great.

well I know chinese :)

can you send a link? i really want to see this

我也爱你

o7, after all these years edg finally won, I can now sit here calmy and be happy for my chinese teams, no one can now say japan have placed better than china

love this lol

i had kk as a top 6 player coming into champs

Funny I have the opposite opinion of edg, They have a poor understanding of haven and were way tooo agressive on that map, watching fnatic play that map then watching edg its like 3 different tiers of diff. however on lotus and sunset edg looked really good (except edgs sunset defence, they keep losing it after a huge lead in attack)

I had edg as my favorite team since I saw them in the east asia lcq, but cant change my flair because I will forever be a nAts fanboy

yep :), glad at least the nats fanboy is succeeding. my favorite clip of chichoo is where he gets mad at nobody for disliking nats lurk

torymansvalorant said sen should have an easy 2-0 today, and man its a good feeling for him to be wrong

you are right, edg are atleast top 3