Imo there are no other team achievements besides winning the tournament. Or at least the impact of those placements should be very low. That's just the way it is in every sport. Just as an example, no one congratulates Lebron for making so many finals in a row (in fact, they use his final losses to show he's not great which I don't agree with either). I guess it can show consistency, but yeah, second place is almost never talked about as team success due to how big of a gap there is between first and second place. Chronicle a hundred percent clears Sacy individually, however, legacy wise I think you can argue either way. Personally, I lean towards sacy because of the importance of Champs. Regardless, Chronicle is still the better player overall and this thread was just trying to show that Sacy should be talked about more as a great player.

c0m is a great secondary caller though although I do agree the increase in firepower would be noticeable. Guess it depends on how lev perform in Champs.

he was good only reason I would say he was worse overall at the duelist role (even jett) than zekken was due to the fact that he wasn't comfortable at entrying for his team.

then he's not the better jett. To be a good jett you need to be able to entry well and Tenz has stated multiple times that he doesn't feel comfortable doing so while zekken has shown that he can without a problem.

no doubt mr. aura himself will drop over 200 kills

Yeah I do agree that he played the biggest role as the second best player in the 2021 run (behind nats), but as you said, the competition back then was super low

just delusional

don't think people realize bro had one of the worst maps of his career + another bad map and stil dropped 90

G2 have hidden aura. The opposition thinks they are safe, but when the match starts.... they already know they've lost 😈

People will get mad at you, but I agree. If lev don't get their act cleaned up they're not going to place in the top 4.

If the entire Lev team shows up (honestly a big if) this game is going to 5 maps

did you just say sayf? A guy who only plays duelists?

I'm not saying I agree if anything I think most people place too much of an emphasis on trophies but I digress + that doesn't apply to Sacy who played insane when Loud won and good when Sen won

They still played well enough + both those players contribute with their calling especially kingg who's their igl.

He basically plays whatever the fuck his team needs him to. Definition of a flex player.

lets give props to the overall best player in the series Mazino. Bro showed up on all 5 maps. His impact was huge this series.

he is not the better jett

no it's completely different. If you don't have an instant get away on op it's usually not worth it. There's a reason basically no team does it.

7/8

Comment might seem normal at first, but has diction that makes it seem like Tenz isn't as good of a player anymore (with the use of the term "downgraded" and "tragic"). Not a bad bait, keep it up buddy, you're doing numbers out here.

why is it the same 4 people baiting? Don't they have anything better to do?

I've seen enough send Turtle Troop to Champs instead of Sen

he said championship not masters

He's been underrated his whole career

yeah that's why I think he played it poorly. Just saying the situation wasn't favoring him at all to begin with.

ngl that's hard to win no dart, and odin isn't the greatest gun in a close range 1v1. c0m was by no means favored, but I do think he played it poorly.

THATS MY FUCKING GOAT

shouldn't you be making another bait thread? Come on bro do your job.

First 100T now Lev, someone tell that man to stop being a god in clutch situations

NOT LIKE THIS WHY DOES MTA ALWAYS MAKE BIG TIME PLAYS

I judged him way too early, he's genuinely turning out to be a solid player. Happy for him.

can you link the exact clip so i can see what they said? By the way a humble opinion doesn't change the fact that Masters are just stepping stones for the big event of the year, Champs.

util is debatable imo. Aim wise Chronicle clears. Most people place a heavy emphasis on trophies when it comes to what makes a player great. I'm just saying that if people do truly think that, then Sacy should be up there as well right next to Chronicle.

mechanically I agree, but how is Sacy lacking when it comes to achievements?

Yeah, but what you said is quite literally irrelevant to the argument you are trying to make.

I would too, but this is mostly a post to show that Sacy is in talks as one of the greats, especially with how many people don't even bring him up when they talk about who has achieved the most in valorant.

that quite literally adds nothing to this conversation. Doesn't change the fact that Champs is by far the most important tournament.

why? Are you telling me Madrid has equal importance to Champs? When I ask who won in 2023, your first thought is EG no? Champs is THE major of the year.

1 Champs win + 1 Non-Champs win > 3 Non-champs wins

Champs is the most important major of the year by far surely it has way more of an impact on someone's legacy no?

imagine c0m flanking on jett tho

they would win every game come on now

Just went through all the games to refresh my memory. Deadass everyone was fragging out on Loud even Sadhaak was going crazy in some games. Even if pancada was mvp there wasn't really a clear best player on Loud everyone did their part i guess.

That was the one tournament where Aspas wasn't clearly outfragging everyone else in most of the games. Who would of thought to win a champs you need your team to be firing on all cylinders.

Between him and Less no?

It's because everytime he won a championship he never was the best player on the team. He's like scottie pippen. Yes he does contribute a ton, yes he's arguably had the most successful career (no Champs yet so it's arguable), but his individual performance while really good has never been considered to be the best in a tournament win.

Aspas is the goat

I've seen enough prime yay was carried by Optic

he should be second under karon imo

I know. I completely agree that if you need calling and firepower (which is like 90 percent of teams) or even just fire power I would say he's the choice over Benji.

Aspas

his igl strat is everyone go kill

plus that would still just be prx style lol

If Hiro plays the way he did in regionals put him in top 10

Damn you feeling a no igl squad
just PRX style on em lol with this much firepower it might work