CS vs Valo Skill ceiling argument

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BrazilianBeast

No matter how perfect the opposing team plays s1mple is so mechanically ahead of other players he can win you games . This no not possible in valorant and thats a fact .

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wait till vlr finds out strategical skill is a thing

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BrazilianBeast

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Obviously the skill ceiling argument is about mechanics and not teamplay

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queueK

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the mechanical skill ceiling alone is irrelevant in a game whose philosophy from the very start of development was to encourage, or even almost force, teamplay .

Either way, how much higher is the skill ceiling in CS? Headboxes are slightly smaller, players move slightly faster, and the guns are deterministic. Is that really so much more than Valorant's mechanics to the point where the difference between the two's ceilings is so far apart? I'd rate it at 50% higher max. That's not enough to convince me that a s1mple of Valorant is "impossible".

(not to mention the fact that the angle diversity in Valorant is much greater due to movement abilities, and the fact that ability usage in itself is an extra mechanic)

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It's impossible
Even a tier2 player can destroy someone with godly aim.

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derke literally won the game for fnatic vs m3c and its not possible? Lmfao ur stupid asf

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kzeriar

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my thread kinda justifies that man https://www.vlr.gg/89986/skill-ceiling-allegations

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winners of biggest tournament to date (ACEND) didnt even qualify for Reykjvavik :|

nobody can be consistently good in this game, everyone on equal footing mechanics-wise

valorant will never, ever have a team with an era like e.g astralis, fnatic

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Head hitbox way bigger in CS just play on stretch res and the head is bigger than aimlab balls

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is this supposed to be an argument for why valorant is more skillbased?

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which is good

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No? It's very bad for an esport

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Bad to have competition?

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competition that comes from the fact the game is more simple (mechanically)

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its boring to watch

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almost 1 decade to win a major

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asdfgh

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yeah because he always had trash teammates expect electronic

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BrazilianBeast

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you are probably a newfag , would not even know how coldzera is

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He also brought Team Liquid to a major final
With 3 bots on his team))))

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Netero

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CSGO way too easy and lacks strategy and play design, it's just aim fest. Also AWP way too easy it's like giving bullet bill to 1st place in Mario kart.

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and that's why you suck at games

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Netero

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Give any silver an awp and they'll dominate the pro scene it's so free

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Im sure u only played MM , if u played Cs

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get out of nova breh

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this statement is so wrong lol , some teams have a player that just completely carry them and if they're alive the round is not over . For optic its yay, G2 its nukkye ect. There just haven't been someone as good and consistent to remain on top like s1mple or a player like faker yet. Doesn't mean it won't happen one day.

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Thing is why does this pop up during these asian upsets when Zeta and PRX beat EU and NA by mostly outaiming them?

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Valgod

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Because eu and na are better

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dupreeeeeehalt

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because you have wolves cabbages birds earthquakes knives arrows flying at you, so this game is different and isn't comparable

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Finth

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There hasn't been anyone as good in Valorant as s1mple is in CSGO

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Netero

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S1mple gets demolished by immortal 2s every time he touches valulrant trash player in trash game (CS)

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BrazilianBeast

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and no one will ever be because of the lower skill ceiling

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Ullyr

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lol faker and s1mple didn't appear till like 3-5 years into the esports. You don't know what you're talking about. Top teams right now haven't even reach peak. In 2 years a normal team that qualify for worlds would have to play at the same level as drx.

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if that is ever going to happen valorant would need movement mechanics like in csgo, its not possible when everyone moves like my grandma

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queueK

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Valorant has been around for two years.

CS in some form or the other has been around for decades, and CSGO has been around for a nearly decade itself now.

s1mple wasn't a thing 2 years into the lifespan of CSGO.

this whole argument just feels like the whole CSGO vs CS 1.6 thing again.

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BrazilianBeast

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if you know about zywOo , his first 2 years and he gets top 1 both times

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queueK

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Zywoo was 14 years old two years into the lifespan of CSGO

unless I'm missing something, he wasn't winning or participating in any majors then.

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Ullyr

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these guys are clowns lol faker and s1mple didn't appear till after 3+ years into the esports

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BrazilianBeast

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He was FPL rank 1 , so vitality picked him .
vitality was his first T1 team

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s1mple is not even the best player in his own game let alone trying to mention s1mple in valorant

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Valorant is harder imo. The counterstrafing is the only easy part about the game compared to CS but peeks are much faster so unlike CS you can't hold an Awp angle with a pixel and hit them. Movement is much faster where you have to flick a lot vs Jetts Omens etc.