Don't blame the players, blame the coach

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heavnsent

Sliggy has so much to answer for, and I say this with the utmost respect.

Why is Liquid's attack so comically bad tournament after tournament? What are these absurd compositions that basically spoilt their EMEA Challengers run? Why is it every time they "return to comfort picks" they win (think Champions, and then this latest tournament)?

I like Sliggy a lot, and clearly he has the respect of many professional players, coaches, and analysts. But if this was football and a talented team kept underperforming to this extend, you would be calling for that manager's head. I don't necessarily want Sliggy to go, but I just cannot understand what the gameplay on Fracture was: No pace to the attack, zero map control, and generally looking lost and without confidence. Is this what you get from the "big brain" coaching mind of Sliggy? It's hard to understand.

Again, I like Sliggy, I watch his streams, I think he's a great guy. I'm just struggling to understand how a team that is so individually talented just can't string it together in big games. And please, stop blaming soulcas -- the guy is cracked, it's on the coach to get the most from his players.

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vitality_pog

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Sliggy is worst coach because Averagejonas always tell sliggy is a good coach

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Hi.

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heavnsent

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Mate, it really isn't. Soulcas has played superbly versus the best players in the world numerous times. What are you even arguing? That he has bad aim and game sense? You can't be serious, lol. He's on Neon, he's trying to make things happen by playing quickly and utilizing the Agent's potential, but when the entire team is so lost there's only so much he can do. Trust me, Victor would be playing just as poorly if he was subbed into Liquid with that terrible gameplan. It's not the players, it's the coaching staff.

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Hi.

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heavnsent

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Ah, sorry, you're a child and I wasted my energy trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. Cya in a few years when you grow up :)

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Hi.

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heavnsent

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Nah, mate, you had your chance for a conversation.

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Hi.

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I agree but ur talking to a bias british, so

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heavnsent

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Bro, I'm not bias at all, lol. I lived in a different country most of my life, I don't give a fuck about nationality. I'm not a child.

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Ehhh lots of this game was soulcas not being able to fking aim

But ye sliggy is partially at fault as well

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I second every single thing you said. We aren't syaing we know better, we just want fucking answers lol

I mean sugarz3ro surely must have the record of shortykills on fracture from the same damn spot in a pro game. Unforgivable idiocy at times from liquid

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༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つZETA take my energy ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ

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yungbasel

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EYy!! Fuck off, you already sent us into the lower bracket bro ;D

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SamBR

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clap clap clap

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yaiima0

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Sliggy needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel with some genius new meta and stick to what statistically worked for them with a few minor tweaks.

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heavnsent

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Agree. Some innovation is welcome, but there's just too much trying to be clever for the sake of trying to be clever. The meta exists for a reason.

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VirajKnight

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Imagine running Jett in Fracture instead of Raze. Even Deffo playing Raze in Fracture. lol. What a comp.

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queueK

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it's even more ridiculous when you consider the fact that they're already running double duelist

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patuj

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I mean TL was literally just getting outaimed and had no idea what was going on. How many times TL player would just turn their backs against the enemies. Like I understand your point, but TL individuals played like shit.

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Because they're trying to play around ScreaM's idiosyncrasies.

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heavnsent

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This is also an issue, I agree. Still, ScreaM could have been on Sage (which is a great pick for Fracture), and soulcas could have been on Raze (one of his best Agents)...

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Doing executes with 15 seconds left, leaving no room for mistakes, is the problem.

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vitality_pog

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What was sliggy doing when they were getting killed by shorty, maybe just let them know to clear those positions.
Maybe busy in creating some dumbsass comp

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sliggy is the only reason TL have reached this far
TL just needs a good igl and they will be insane

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Barbatos

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Blame both.

😊👍

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heavnsent

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I do talk to Sliggy in his steams, btw. He's a great guy for responding, and he has plenty of interesting things to say and discuss. But perhaps there's a bit too much overthinking going on? And as for weird comps working... when? Versus EMEA's lesser teams they worked just fine, but as soon as the competition became tougher they went back to comfort picks, so I have no idea what you are referring to.