how evidence works

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not all evidence can just be shared on the public domain, especially in a sensitive case like sinatraa's. Using the fact someone only shared one piece of evidence in a fucking rape case with the public is the same kind of energy as "if they really did make cp maybe post the video evidence of it online?". Its sensitive and private.
You're actually a lost cause if you seriously expect her to just dump all and any evidence into the wild for the sake of justice when really you're just looking for validation that your opinions are right because people are constantly calling you a moron. Internal investigations and discussion are what that's for, not fucking twitter where people with inverted brains can make posts and hold opinions.

No one likes your streamer or his community, L, move on weirdos.

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no where does this post say sinatraa is guilty definetly.
Im just telling people to shut the fuck up hypothesizing about whether or not she did it with malicious intent. Here, you want me to satisfy your what-aboutism? Ok, if she did it with malicious intent, damn okay thats messed up, poor guy. but thats a what about scenario, no evidence presented suggested that, jay hasnt tried pushing that narrative, its almost like its a fucking rape case and the details wont be made public so like i said, move on, leave the women alone, and go back to posting about how fucking amazing tenZ is.

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exactly yes, and that's why people should wait on any official announcement rather than jumping on the hate/defend bandwagon and start a war all over twitter and reddit with a single piece of 'evidence' at hand

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Just pointing out the bullshit you absolute child are spreading, if she had HARD evidence that is enough to convict him, he already would've convicted. Remember that riot investigation?

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remember this ratio?

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Downfrag ratio OMEGALUL

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it was worth a try lmao

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Never said he was guilty or innocent, only calling out the people who are claiming she made it all up for "clout". Ignoring how fucking stupid a statement like that is, you have no evidence to back up your claim. Something you'll attack her for.

Take your own advice maybe and live by the laws you impose on others.

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damn bruv, the fact that people are saying she did it for 'clout' doesn't mean that your post is actual bullshit. Riot did an internal investigation and that brought up nothing, so there is no more evidence than that cropped audio clip. You implied that there can be more private evidence and i said that isn't a possibility.

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What are you talking about, a 10 second search shows you're talking out of your ass mate. Riot never made an official statement regarding the end of Sinatraa's internal investigation. It was his ex who broke the news that the police investigation ended. Second of all, riots internal investigation has a very different set of rules to a full on police investigation.
You're actually just spewing shit thats incorrect.

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Riot did the investigation with authorities and had he been actually guilty, he would have had a ban and been arrested already, it's called common sense and the fact that he was never arrested or banned after the initial 6 months implies that nothing came out of the investigation.
Not everything is brought and told to you on a silver platter, you'll get it after you get older

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I'm well aware mate I deal with probably more shit than you do pal. I wasn't denying that the investigation came back with nothing, but you said in your post "You implied that there can be more private evidence and i said that isn't a possibility."
This is just inaccurate and incorrect. you have no evidence to say that so I'm calling you out on it. Probably why you tried to strawman just there cause you got caught with your cock in the cookie jar again.

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it's not a strawman cause if you have the average guy's common sense, the best place to show private evidence is in front of the police which will eventually lead to a court case if. Since nothing came out of the investigation means there was no evidence of SA otherwise he would have already been convicted.
How long do you think she would hold evidence bro.
You're either a child or need to spend time outside the internet

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Judging by your flag, maybe you can't speak the language very well, just like you I'm reading between the lines without evidence, so get mad at that statement at your own hypocritical peril.

You, don't, know, if, evidence, was, shown, before, the, police, or, court. Get, that, in, your, head, cause, that's, what, I'm, saying.

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"Judging by your flag" the colonizer in you came out lmao, so much for being "saving a victim from hate".
Don't even wanna discuss this with you anymore.
the way you typed your last sentence confirms that you're a twitter user, go fuck yourself racist piece of shit and jerk off your 1 inch dong to her onlyfans.
Better grammar for you?

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You're right, im the racist here, sure of course, don't even know me yet one comment that I made out of frustration with the fact that you continuously decided to ignore me and strawman me.
Don't know you, don't care about you. The fact you decided to jump at the chance to get out of the argument shows you aint got shit though.
No I don't use twitter and I don't see the point in fucking myself.
As for her onlyfans, don't care, don't wanna pay for porn. But you've shown yourself to be a mysoginistic piece of shit so congrats on that front. You're such a virtuous saint. I'm not gonna stand here and explain my politcal views cause I don't respect you or your opinions. Hold whatever idea you wan't of me cause you don't know me, and Ill never care enough to know you.

continue thread →

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Probably shouldn’t make fun of someone for that.

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don't give him anymore attention he's a racist, twitter user and a child

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I get your point. But did she not present it in court either? There has to be reason he didn't get punished for the rape case. It's been a year, not a day to wait for her to present evidence in court

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Thats the point, we don't know. So you shouldn't harass her over it when we have no idea what actually went down inside the courtroom, nevermind what actually transpired in their relationship. This is just a post to call out people harassing her. Not claiming he's guilty. I'm just explaining away the argument that conclusive evidence wasn't shared with the public, because it never is in sensitive cases like these.

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You create shit like onlyfans you deserve to get hate. We are just taking the piss in forums and no one is sending her dms or death threats. Respectful women don't do onlyfans Im sorry but thats just street behaviour.

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Yes women can only sell their bodies when its on porn sites where their value is stolen and given to executives who do no work....

Ignoring that. Im taking the piss out of people who are taking "the piss" out of this situation by spreading a narrative that she's some how a "clout chasing whore".
Im sorry that because you used to put women on pedestals when that toxic behaviour got you rejected you decided to a 180 and buy into incel culture but women are human beings and have the right to take up any job they want. Independent of bullshit religious values decided on 6000 years ago.

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She accused him right before Masters 1, while this happened way before. That pisses me off. I won't say she should be harassed for not proving her case, but in what world is it fair to get your career ruined due to a unproved allegation?

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His career isn't ruined though, he can join a team if he wants, and that's what he plans to do, he'll have fans and people who don't like him.
No one has the right to make anyone like him, we're allowed to dislike him, we're allowed to not root for him and support him. We don't have to do any of that.

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I didn't know he was returning when I posted this. Happy for him tho. I thought he is never coming back because of the controversy

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Not afraid of being wrong. I am wired around facts and so far her actions have been indifferent of what she should be doing. Creating onlyfans is a big red flag. Not saying Jay Won is a perfect human but the allegations seem over the top hatred that incurred from a toxic relationship that went for too long.

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You can read into things and assign this or that but its no excuse to harass someone or claim they did it. Something like that would never hold water in court. There's a million reasons she could want to do that. Again, as I keep saying, not denying that maybe she did it all for this big brain play but there's no supporting evidence, a fact fans of jay like to bring up in defense of him. It goes both ways at the end of the day.

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Dude its been a year since we've heard anything from either Riot or investigators. If there really was evidence of him doing something it would have come out by now and he would have been punished

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I didnt say he was guilty at any point in this post, im calling out people for deciding hes innocent by fact that an investigation was cancelled at the request of his ex. Which could happen for a multitude of reasons but people like to latch onto one.
Let me add on, going to court is incredibly expensive and you'd discuss it with attorneys wayyyy beforehand and any attorney would tell you that one audio clip wasnt enough evidence, In all likelihood there WAS more evidence, and the value of said evidence is not for the eyes of the morons on this site, but rather for those involved in the investigation, that's what this post is about, not about him, that's why I say "move on weirdos". The investigation is over, people need to leave her alone and get on with your lives, we don't have to like your player. We don't have to want to see him on a team, he's an "alleged rapist" that much is true, whether the alleged needs to be removed or not is unclear/

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That makes no sense. You're calling out people for "deciding hes innocent by fact that an investigation was cancelled at the request of his ex", but mate, the principal is "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". If it can't be proven that he did it, then by that principal, he is ASSUMED to be innocent. Of course you're allowed to believe whatever you want, but the Sinatraa fans ARE the one's who already moved on. MOST of the people still talking about the situation/allegations are the people who flat out don't like Sinatraa and want to use the allegations as the current hot topic now that he's announced that he's ready to compete again. Any person with common sense would know that his community just wants to put that stuff behind him and move on. The only ppl harassing his ex are a small minority that you should never even bother speaking to. Just know that just as you don't have to like Sinatraa, people also don't have to like his ex.

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lmao the thot has an onlyfans. she is just a clout chaser making shit up. the simps in the gaming community are so cringe

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idc if the evidence is real,he is cringe and annoying and if he is not on a team thats good by me

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"No one likes your streamer or his community, L, move on weirdos."

Coming from the guy who is stuck on events from a year ago, and is actively promoting the dude he doesnt like by posting about him nonstop. LOL move on weirdo, L

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Calling out people for being morons and harrasing someone who could potentially be a rape victim (HEY FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE WORKS READ THIS: POTENTIALLY DOESENT MEAN IM SAYING SHE IS), will always be something I do regardless of how upset it gets people. I'm not the person who started posting about Jay, and I won't be the last. But I'll respond to any retarded argument that makes no sense by showing everyone, its a retarded argument that makes no sense.

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sure thing White Knight Will Smith

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Supporting alleged rape victims = being in a toxic marriage???

Completely off topic but yeah, his relationship is a shit show and he needs out, its not good for him at all. But It has 0 correlation. Stop posting about her, move the fuck on. Then i'll stop calling people out for being retards.

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bro, you stand up for girls who belittle you, thats why you're the Will Smith White Knight. I actually never showed support for sinatra either, I pointed out that you are claiming to want to move on, but are stuck dwelling on him in pub forums, you're promoting him by bringing any attention to him. The only retard you've called out in this thread is yourself!

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you're a sexist virgin. might as well go full gay. L

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Never really liked the guy

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Nt cleo alt

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the problem is no sane person that actually wants Sinatra to get convicted would go about it the way she has done. leave it to the police to investigate it. and not Fucking Riot Games. and instead of a competitive ban, it would be obstruction of justice or something like that.

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riots investigation found nothing and the case wasnt going in favour of the girl when it was dropped

so the ppl that do no the whole story think sinatraa is innocent

ofc we cant know if hes innocent until hes proven either way but he shouldnt be treated like a rapist if he isnt proven to be one

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for some reason this post got bumped
no where does this post say sinatraa is guilty definitely.
Im just telling people to shut the fuck up hypothesizing about whether or not she did it with malicious intent. Here, you want me to satisfy your what-aboutism? Ok, if she did it with malicious intent, damn okay thats messed up, poor guy. but thats a what about scenario, no evidence presented suggested that, jay hasnt tried pushing that narrative, its almost like its a fucking rape case and the details wont be made public so like i said, move on, leave the women alone, and go back to posting about how fucking amazing tenZ is.