I don't remember seeing this kind of thread after FNC - SEN final. The narrative was SEN is the best team in the world by far 'cuz "nOT DrOpPing A MaP". Even after Berlin there were topics about how NA had won more maps than EMEA in total even tho Gambit won. Also, I don't remember anyone calling FNC the definitive top 2 like they later did with nV. I NEVER saw people put Derke top 2, while before Champions they put yay top 1/2 easily even tho nV had by far the easiest group in Berlin and then ended up meeting a shitty form-SEN and another NA team they're used to playing.