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berrys

what do you guys think was the problem in sentinels game causing them to play worse?

also what teams are you supporting in shanghai, personally im supporting prx.

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the players themselves said that they've been constantly playing since Kickoff so it's good they get some rest and work on their problems.
If LEV make it to shanghai, they'll be the team that I'll root for

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course they been playing everyday everytime they not praccing they duoing with tarik

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Shut up man, having "no rest" is a shitty ass excuse.Of course they had rest.These guys were just complacent with their masters win and failed to evolve.Fnatic last year won lock in and still continued to dominate and even win the next masters event

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just because all your team did for 3 years is rest doesnt mean its the same everywhere brotha

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I wouldn't be talking shit if I were you cuz you're at the bottom while we're 2-1 now

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cooked him im afraid lmfaooo

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my guy the schedule ain't the same, Johnqt arrived the day they played 100T and you're comparing them with fnc lmao
FNC had 20 days after LOCK//IN to rest and work on strats before the EMEA League started and neither did they play a short Kickoff tournament before that

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The season was also nine games long, other wise nrg(last year) would have been 3-3 2-3 in the season

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That's still not an excuse.Look at KC and TH in emea are at least doing better even though they both got knocked out early in madrid.And geng and PRX are also going to easily make playoffs. You should stop putting the blame on burnout and start addressing the real problems

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burnout IS a "real problem" lmfao, they barely had time to cook no wonder why they're shit rn
I wanna know when (according to you) SEN had the time after Madrid, to work on new stuff
PRX I understand is really good at cooking up in a short amount of time because they brought in jingg and are doing decently well but still aren't that good compared to DRX, neither is GENG, and the only reason why GENG is qualifying for playoffs is because they've won against Zeta/Talon/DFM and they'll now play RRQ.
KC and TH left Madrid the very next day that they lost, even then KC has been struggling against eg. KOI which was a game they barely won.
Give SEN some time and if they're still bad in split 2, I'll agree that they're not good 🤷‍♂️

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Blud I know burnout exists but I don't think that's the main problem here.They got predictable and are being antistratted real hard.Sen really need to improve their midmorning if they do that they'll start winning again.Look at geng, they're still going to qualify despite having to play drx(an upgraded drx from kickoff btw) and paper rex with jinggg.Id at least expect sen to somehow qualify but gosh the way they're playing right now is not excusable

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do you not think that the sen players know that they're playing bad lmao, even johnqt said that their form is the worst it's been since kickoff and they have a lot of underlying issues that need to be addressed. It's good they're not qualifying because now they'll get the time to fix these issues and get back in form for split 2 and champs.
GENG on the other hand are qualifying by beating the 3 worst teams in Group Omega, and them making Shanghai is still a coinflip

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That still doesn't take away the fact that geng had to face An improved DRX and jinggg paper rex.And they still put up a close fight unlike sen

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Also how long are you gonna keep putting the blame on burnout, they had 6 days after the 100t game and a whole week after the leviatan game.

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a week or two in total to reinvent after having to play since Feb? aight man whatever you say

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I'll do the friendly fire here, we had a whole month to prep but still lost to yall .But we still managed to adapt and bounce back beating C9 and G2 two very good teams.

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100t is supposed to do well considering how they've been improving and they only needed some time with Boostio to get better
I didn't expect SEN to win against 100T considering how they were practicing with Curry before the game

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yea but what you dont understand with all these comparisons to TH and DRX is that SEN are in by far the most competitive VCT league. PRX, TH, Loud and KC are all losing to teams they shouldnt be losing to but they have enough of a buffer against the bottom teams that they dont even need to worry about qualifying for playoffs or not. In Americas rn literally every team can compete with each other apart from MIBR and Furia.
SEN looked only decent against Lev and managed to get all the rounds that they did but theyre going against the best player in the world playing the best game in the entire history of VCT. Then they went against EG and had near 0 material to review to anti against them and choked when they came against unexpected lurks and the vastly uncharacteristic performance of Jawgemo and Apoth. Its the exact same thing that just happened against loud with the whole deadlock gimmick and the fact that EVERYONE on Loud today was bringing a level that they hadnt done in any game prior to the game against Sentinels.
If any of TH, KC, or PRX went against this kind of competition NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM would qualify for playoffs either other than MAYBE TH considering they just got woot and would be playing with him for these last 2 matches

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People keep brining up this Fnatic comparison but they fail to realise that SEN has played almost THREE TIMES the matches Fnatic did in the same period. Honestly it amazes me how stupid people can be, the 'rest' excuse becomes valid as fuck when you see that they have essentially played the amount of rounds Fnatic did until they won tokyo.

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how is prx 4-1 and geng 3-2

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because theyre in the shittiest fucking region, how is that even a serious question???

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there are equal amount of shit teams in each region lol

losing to eg AND a washed loud is just embarassing bud

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delusional, once again Sen is the team who won masters, other teams aren't going to vod review prx when GenG and Sen peaked performance their. Also the skill gap in pacific is absurd, might as well hand GenG the playoff card when they have GE and BLEED in a 5 team group, tf are u smoking. PRX just had their key piece brought back so that comparison is invalid

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if u do the comparisons the only arguably strong teams sen faced were lev and loud. they didnt even play kru and if they did theyd probably get demolished

on the other hand geng had to play against drx and prx

only difference is they dont lose to shit teams

thats just a skill issue there

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and my friend, you have overlooked a critical issue - group omega is utter shit compared to alpha. With their group being disproportionately better, their gonna have a much harder time breaking through into the top 3. They have arguably the most one sided group compared to every other region.

Also the skill gap in pacific is brutal, bottom feeder teams in Omega apart from prx, drx. Loud have proven themselves time and time again they just had to work out their kinks, and I think we're forgetting eg has a champion winning duelist and coach.

Use you brain.

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ok!

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Geng had to play an improved drx and a paper rex with jinggg.And they didn't get shit on 2-0 like sen did against loud

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And your point is?

They still lost and your acting like loud doesn't have the best viper and igl in the world

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EG hard anti'd sen and against LOUD you can deadass tell that the players are tired and not performing well individually
like i said before give them time to cook and they might get in form for split 2 and champs

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Yea but Sentinels werent nearly as good an ahead of the meta as FNC was. There are so many competitive teams currently that can punch above their weight and they all bring their A game against a Sen who havent had the time to reinvent themselves.
Theyre dried out, they just cant bring 100% all the time and this is exactly what that is. They were doing well in terms of adapting to loud but the issue was just that they werent hitting their shots or clutching rounds when it mattered and the 10-2 on defense made it impossible to get a comeback on the attack side which is where they excel.

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the problem was they were tired as hell you casn see it on how they play, and on kaps face 😭😭 burnout is real

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Propably be DRX, it would sick that they'll be the first APAC to win that trophy

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midrounding

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cant really pinpoint the problem but i will be supporting NRG as an old Optic fan

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SEN midrounding is like an open book now, especially on defense. Playing so long in one stretch is also hampering player's individual performance right now. Staying in top form in every match is not possible.
All these factors collectively hampering SEN right now.

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it seems when watching they are overcomplicating things. like their set retakes aren't fluid like it was before. I see the only reason why this is happening is cus they are overworked

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Stop coping, sen got enough break they just fell off bro

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🤣🤣

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0/8 what break lmao? they been grinding since start of the offseason

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You guys had a week of break between 100T and leviathan, and leviatan and mibr.Quit yapping nonsense and start addressing what's really wrong

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100T had a complete month before they faced against SEN but still lost and why is that?

SEN is lacking a lot in team work and coordination agreed, but most of the issues are stemming from being overworked and playing without being able to change around stuff.

All the best to 100T against this LOUD if they make it to the playoffs.

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100t losing to sen despite having a month to prepare only backs up my point lmao.Sen became readable and its sad that most of the sen fans are using burnout as excuse.Sen is still a world class team, but if they keep this performance till split 2 we can officially declare that they fell off.

I hope we qualify though, it'll be tough considering we have to face an in-form kru and nrg

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WHOS WE? bro thinks hes on the team

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champ2k21

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Fans are considered an integral part of the team.Same thing happens in football dummy

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After having this conversation you are still considering BURNOUT as a excuse. WOW. You are stubborn asf.
I'll repeat if for you.

SEN is pretty readable right now and lacking GAS to win a series, that's why SEN is losing in this fashion. But a very huge factor in all of this is playing continuously without the time to change stuff.

I hope you can understand this and please tell how 100t's loss backs your point.

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When did I ever imply that burnout is an excuse?Can you please point that out for me?My whole point was literally the opposite of that.We should not be using burnout as an excuse.Jesus christ the reading comprehension on vlr is off the charts

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Bro just read your previous reply. You said that Sen fans are using burnout as an excuse.
"its sad that most of the sen fans are using burnout as excuse."
SEN fans are not using it as an excuse. It's just one of the major factors that led to these bad results. Your reply suggests that burnout is not an excuse, but when sen fans say it it's an excuse. Hypocrisy don't you think?

This is the third time I am writing this for you.
SEN is readable right now? YES.
SEN is lacking team work and coordination? YES.
SEN is burnt out? YES.

SEN has a lot of problems and need to work on it right now, but the source of their problems is pretty much no break schedule.

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bro thinks a week is enough

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champ2k21

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They've gotten way more than a week shut up

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Go take a look at the schedule.

After madrid finals, the team had no time to change things. SEN was playing while others were practicing and anti-strating them.
The other americas team in Madrid LOUD had such a big gap between two matches in split, while SEN played every week.

The current SEN are not the masters winners SEN. they are completely lacking the energy to power through a series.
Playing the same map and starting down every match also doesn't help.

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Alright, I'd put burnout as a factor ONLY IF it was the first two weeks.The fact that they're still playing like this despite having a week break between the lev and 100t game and mirror and lev game just shows that there is much more than burnout.Sen are being read like a book and unless kaplan does something to change up or evolve, this team is in big trouble

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Yes, SEN is being read like a book but that mostly happens to a team after such a long run and the amount of information and vods available against SEN is huge right now (from off season to madrid).

Let them have a gap and then it will change. Not making playoffs might bring back the energy and SEN will be back

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That's what, sentinels aren't losing due to burnout, it's just that teams have gotten better and sen have become easy to read.Although I do think now kaplan will eventually cook up something for sen and they'll start winning matches again

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Hoping so as a SEN fan.

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You don't understand how burnout works nor the fact that there's no real "breaks".
There's no "one week break", the very next day after every match, they go into the office and start preparing for the next one, and so on.

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SEN too easy to read, too much tape. They need to do a hard reset, maybe a holiday to the bahamas and when they come back they need to be me innovative with new ideas
supporting 100t at shanghai

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They just need a break for another 50 years, to recover from the gruelling schedule that they've been having.So that they can start winning

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Actually 🤓 the problems are :-

Kyedae tore her carpal tunnel 💅🏻 therefore TenZ was not in the right mindset 🤓
Sacy got some mouth/tooth issues
Zekken is 🐐
John is 🐐
Zellesis became a skin-merchant from vibe-merchant and forgot he was signed to play rather shout "lets go boys 🤓 "/ "buy this ass bundle coz why not"

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Bringing kyedae's health issues in this is pathetic, get ur head straight

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yikes

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bringing that up is weird asf

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Just from how they look it’s burnout, they’ve played the most games this season and some of the most in the off season plus I think in like a TenZ or Zekken stream they said they were playing on average like 5 scrims a day. At this point I’m hoping for LEV to make Shanghai and win it with SEN coming back split 2 and Champs with them facing in the GF.

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Sen failing to change up, as a result they're becoming more and more readable.Probably due to lack of time to prepare after masters.But if they keep up this performance in the next split then there wont any excuses

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(not a sen fan but) Honestly, they havent been terrible just not as great as they were in madrid.

Split ban. Finally teams are respecting sentinels' split which really helped them at the start of the season. Having an "almost" guaranteed map win is super strong. Almost every team that has won an international event had a map like this in their arsenal.
Lotus defense side. With split being banned this required sentinels to find a new map pick, which was Lotus. Yes it is attack sided but the manner in which they are required to comeback to salvage their map pick is simply unsustainable. The flaws were shown versus Leviatan but individual brilliance helped to distract from the issues.
Unlucky?: I feel like Loud played their best valorant versus sentinels, the issues with the format is that dips in form can really influence the playoff picture. Loud had a tough start to the season with visa issues hurting their preparations and compositional question marks which they were struggling to resolve.
Bind choke vs EG: This is the game that will have probably cost them playoffs. Absolute mental breaker. This loss is why sentinels can only blame themselves.