Favoured teams aren't doing well

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HardStuckGold

Yesterday when DMG lost to GE you could tell that DMG made so many mistakes

I don't think F4Q made many mistakes against NTH, it was more like a team diff.

Idk what's going on? Is F4Q doing anything wrong? I can't really tell

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It's mainly Korean teams that's been struggling. Could just be individuals performances, not being use to other team playstyle and slow to adjust, or that other regions are catching up to Korea since months ago. I'm waiting to see how nuturn does because in Korea I think VS and nuturn are the two teams with the most tactical fps experiences at the moment.

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you saw their comp on icebox? that can be one of the worst comps i have seen in pro play .f4Q look lost

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they should (F4Q) know that they cannot use this strategy in Icebox. in Berlin, it was evident that the strategy did not work well. even in Korea, they lost with that strategy. example, in the final against VS.

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I'm not sure man. Everyone wanted bunny to play Raze. I think he shouldve played it on Ascent, but there is definitely no way they play raze on Icebox. raze has never appeared in other pro team ice box comps

I guess there wasn't much to do because NTH banned their split??

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Grumsy

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yes he shouldve played raze on ascent , jett on icebox was fine but they had no viper nor a sage ,how do you even win without em

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LazyNorn

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what I have a problem with, why play Astra on Icebox? their strategy didn't work out, and Astra wasn't the best choice in Icebox. They should have learned after their loss in the final against VS, and their loss in Berlin.

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HardStuckGold

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I guess they thought they played alright with Astra in Berlin and thought it would surprise the enemies??? idk man kind of disappointed with F4Q

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LazyNorn

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yeah, disappointed. but this is fun and wild, because now it will be very difficult to predict who will win/lose.

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HardStuckGold

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ahahha yeah rip to my pickems TAT

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I think they are just not comfortable picking up the viper on Icebox. Most of the time either the sentinel or controller player pick it up idk why they decided not to do that. Or maybe this is just for the better seeding? (jk)

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G2 uses raze on icebox!

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Envy actually used Raze in Icebox during Berlin vs. Vivo Keyd and KRU and it made it the attack side so much easy since you can enter the site freely and also hard counter the retakes from the defense.
(Source: https://www.vlr.gg/34961/envy-vs-kr-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-winners-b/?game=50232&tab=overview and https://www.vlr.gg/34949/vivo-keyd-vs-envy-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-opening-b/?game=50205&tab=overview)

G2 also used it vs. Sentinels and they shat on them on Icebox (https://www.vlr.gg/35942/g2-esports-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-group-d/?game=51052&tab=overview)

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HardStuckGold

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And NV almost lost with raze on defense against Vivo Keyd?

I'm making excuses, but for Sentinels it WAS just a seeding match which didnt matter

You can also see that every team is running a compulsory Jett, which I don't think fiveK is good with?

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Dang, I just realized F4Q banned Bind (where Raze REALLY shines) and then picked Icebox (which was their perma ban). I guess their plan didn't really work

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ayo didnt nukkye play raze on icebox

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LazyNorn

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maybe the Korean team can't play with high ping?

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deathstalker30

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even ge cant i think they are first time playing on high ping bcz this is there first international tourney . they play on 5 ping in their local tourneys in india this is there first time they are playing on highping in international stage.they are playing really good really proud of them and my country

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LazyNorn

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Korean teams that play in LCQ at this time, usually they play offline during Korean VCT. CMIIW
but, maybe it won't be a problem, because, all the teams currently playing in LCQ, play with quite high ping.

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think its more of korea has had what, 2 non korean exclusive asia tournaments? and the only kr teams i remember participating are bcg, vs, and nu, in addition theres only like 7 orgs competing in korea anyway
korea doesnt have these consistent chances to play against a variety of apac teams, they cant really learn how to play from experience against india or japan simply because scrimming doesnt give you much in the way of counterstrating besides from analysis
ping is also an issue because even outside of valorant, korea has some of the fastest internet and korea servers anywhere typically are very low ping, i doubt many korean players are used to competing on any stage on that high of a ping

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ItsMeDio

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maybe the Korean team are just really bad right now

#8

RIP_BOZO

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Their comp on icebox was a huge mistake , along with bunny not playing raze .

Damwon might have made mistakes on map 1 but on map 2 they changed their playstile in order to counter Skrossi , But lost due to lack of experience on Split as a map ( i heard the analyst say the last time they played split was back in July )

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DWG map 1 was painful to watch. Its like that they are completely lost. I 100% think that its due to them playing online for the first time in a VCT event.

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DWG was losing then too they were T-bagging lol
anyways nt DWG

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deathstalker30

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ge ftw against prx lets see

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Daniveus

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the favourite teams are nuturn and prx imo

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they use astra on icebox..what did you expect