ranking all 33 non-chinese teams

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Psion

for where i think they'll be at the start of madrid

LOUD
SEN
KC
NRG
Paper Rex
Heretics
FNC
GenG
100T
T1
EG
FUT
Navi
LEV
Vitality
DRX
Mibr
G2
RRQ
Team Secret
GiantX
Liquid
KRU
KOI
Talon
M8
C9
Zeta
Bleed(im being more lenient bc they getting a new igl, in reality they'd be 32 because of it)
BBL
Furia
GE
DFM
edit: moved NRG 4 because yall don't got faith in ethan

#2

Manaphy

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Why is NRG at 2?

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Psion

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they are behind KC, Heretics, PRX, SEN rn but in 2 weeks i'd take them over those 4 teams

#23

WhatADrag

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even a braindead person would be smarter than you.

#24

Psion

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sure buddy

#25

pickleguy483

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he right

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ItsHunter

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Nah I genuinely don't think these guys have the igling power to run anything but defaults. I mean they had a full week to prep and anti for Sen and yet somehow they came to split with NOTHING to show for all that time.
It's either a chet or Ethan disaster class but either way it's seeming really consistent with Chet's coaching

#43

Psion

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before this ethan had no real experience as an igl in matches (vs C9 and Furia don't count those teams suck) so this should be a wakeup call that he can improve from a lot

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Psion

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i also just trust ethan a lot

#3

MourninggStarr

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ngl NRG would lose to Gen.G

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Psion

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today i do aswell, madrid doesn't start for 2 weeks

#4

teilwal

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eg over 100t both under t1

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Psion

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those 3 will be pretty close together imo so thats fine

#8

Psion

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this would give America average of 14th, EMEA 16th, and Pacific 20th

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pickleguy483

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just by quick glance this list is fucked

liquid below rrq?

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Psion

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RRQ looked very good vs GenG who won pacific lol. you cannot say my take on RRQ is bad there isn't enough to go on to prove that, different sure, bad no

#13

pickleguy483

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never said they were bad...
above liquid is crazy though.

#14

Psion

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no its not liquid did not look that good lol

#21

pickleguy483

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keiko had the best performance of a rookie in the entirety of VCT going 37 / 16 / 2

saying that is such delusion

#27

Psion

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3 rookies in EMEA alone had a better rating in kickoff than keiko... he had 1 amazing map lol

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pickleguy483

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bro.. its a literally fact idk why you trying to argue

he had the best debut of a rookie in vct

#34

Psion

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he had the best debut series not debut event lol. N4rrate and marteen had way better debut events than him.... which is a fact

#44

ItsHunter

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He had 1 map and was not able to replicate it. If he was so good then having people like jaampi and nats on his team shouldve sent them to playins easy

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pickleguy483

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100t at 9th?

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Psion

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they looked very good vs Lev and SEN in their 2 games and they've had way less prep than a lot of other teams since boostio was only let out of jail at the start of the year.

#16

pickleguy483

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top 3 teams itw are not from americas
wait till madrid and you'll see

emea winning the event

#17

Psion

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saying EMEA will win the event is pretty delusional both teams are too young

#18

pickleguy483

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"delusional" - "top 3 teams itw - Loud, NRG, SEN"
you'll see bro.

also NRG??? that performance on split was horrific

#19

Psion

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i have faith in ethan, he is new to full igling and his improvement will be incredible imo
also SEN are 2nd to LOUD only in split

#22

pickleguy483

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1 player doesnt make a team

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Psion

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but his igling seems to be the biggest issue imo

#20

sleeek

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100t too high

#28

Psion

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maybe

#29

YAYE

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stopped reading at NRG

#30

Psion

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yall really don't got faith in ethan huh

#32

IsaaaValorant

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NRG and 100T wayyy to high

#35

Psion

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i have faith in ethan to step up his sub-par igling, and 100T is a relatively new team these 2 weeks mean more to them than most teams

#33

sentinelmain377

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way better list. M8 and NAVI should be way higher

LOUD
SEN
KC
NRG
TH
GENG
NAVI
FNC
PRX
T1
LEV
100T
EG
FUT
VIT
DRX
TS
MIBR
G2
RRQ
GIA-X
G8
KOI
TL
KRU
TLN
BBL
C9
ZETA
FURIA
GE
BLEED
DFM

#36

Psion

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they've shown nothing besides losing to a team with a sub twice, they are definitely worse than koi who is 2 spots above them. I could definitely see them above talon thoguh

#37

sentinelmain377

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????????
they are definitely not worse than KOI

u are not watching the games lmfao

#38

Psion

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they lost to a team with a sub 4-1 over 2 series lol, you also only have them 4 spots higher which isn't "WAY HIGHER"

#39

sentinelmain377

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fine. not way higher, i just immediately reacted

but if u wanna look at scores:
https://www.vlr.gg/307565/koi-vs-team-vitality-champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff-play-in-stage-play-ins/?game=161392&tab=overview
VIT 2-0 KOI (13-9, 13-6)

VIT 2-0 G8 (13-10, 13-7)
VIT 2-1 G8 (4-13, 15-13, 13-3)
https://www.vlr.gg/297412/team-vitality-vs-gentle-mates-champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff-opening-c/?game=156103&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/297416/team-vitality-vs-gentle-mates-champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff-decider-c/?game=156116&tab=overview

G8 played better

#42

Psion

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in the first game, they played similar
I whole heartedly believe in wyatt's law and picked M8 to win the 2nd matchup, so to me this is just M8 couldn't capitalize on wyatt's law more than anything

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sentinelmain377

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use math

KOI is down -2 rounds LMFAO

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Psion

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bro im ngl i read what u put wrong

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ok im comfortable putting M8 above koi on my list now lol, I still think they'd lose to KRU

#40

Psion

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GenG down
PRX up (note this is in 2 weeks for madrid, monyet(the weak link) should be comfortable by then
Lev down
26-33 is fine
22-25 needs reshuffling kru would beat 3 of those teams
15-20 no problems
1-5 no problems
Navi down a lot too they played koi and liquid, both bottom 10 teams

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sentinelmain377

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GENG PRX suggestions make sense.
no chance LEV is going under 100T or EG (played better against LOUD than EG, beat 100T, played great against SEN. consistently played great.)
KRU would definitely not beat them. (struggling against G2...)

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Psion

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i think there is a tier gap between 20 and 21 on your list(g2 would roll GiantX for instance), KRU played really well vs G2 the first time(idfk what happened the 2nd time ngl), and i think they'd beat M8 because that team lacks the experience against a team like KRU to know how to beat them(fast paced SA team). I meant to say KRU beats 2 of those teams not 3, they'll beat 1 of Liquid and KOI but those 2 games are really 50-50s
Lev looks incohesive as fuck on some maps, sean or sliggy highlighted it when watching them. I'd pick LEV to beat those teams today, in 2 weeks potter, ziks, and boostio will improve their teams past Lev's growth which i think will be very slow. I'd also put LEV above FUT because again the cohesion is too low and FUT being a turkish team could easily breakthrough the fragile wall of Lev on maps and just win off of that
also u haven't mentioned the navi part yet