who wins in a bo5

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Loud 2022 peak form vs Loud 2023 peak form
For me, I think that Loud 2023 wins, I just think cauanzin and tuyz diff sacy and pancada in pure mechanical skill and performance. Also I think the game has evolved so much since then that the strat and just mechanical diff between both teams would be enough for 2023 to take the W

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geometrix

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Loud 2022 is peak loud, sorry, call me when this core wins champions

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do u also think optic wouldve beat 2023 loud? I just dont think so 2023 loud are a different level of beast. Think about lock in and them destroying fnatic in champs both times. 2022 loud wouldve been spanked by fnatic same with optic

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it would be close and it is 51% 2023 loud and 49% 2022 loud

2022 and 2023 would win against optic

but 2022 loud would win lock in finals 100%

and probably they would be better in masters tokyo

but the harbor viper meta wouldnt have been a thing if it was 2022 loud, saadhak needed tuyz and cauan for that, they have more flexibility than sacy and pancada

and loud would never play phoenix breach in the 2022 core (i am intrepreting saadhak words, as he says he prefers aspas on jett/raze then anything else)

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2023 LOUD would piss in 2022 LOUDs mouths NGL

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2023

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People won't get you brother but yeah

2023 Fnatic, EG, Prx and Loud shit on those 2022 Optic, Loud, Fpx etc. teams easily

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cauanzin is s0cy's dad

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LOUD 2023, everyone got so so so much better in that year

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sacy and cauanzin is arguable, but i dont think tuyz is better than pancada mechanically ngl im not gonna say he cant be better on the future but on 2023??? you cant say his peak is better than pancada´s if he has never showed it yet, pancada was positive on every champs 2022 game except on a group stage match they lost againts optic, tuyz its not on that level yet.

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heistheoneandonly

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I think with how the game has evolved and the players have evolved, tuyz is more mechanical than pancada. I think my main source of reasoning is just that loud beat fnatic. I think fnatic in 2023 wouldve gotten no more than 5 rounds taken on any map from any team in 2022

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koromast

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you cant know that, you are basing your opinion on a "Maybe" and every 2022 top tier team changed their roster and downgraded for next year except fnatic which placed 4th on 2023 and 6th on 2022 so this argument doesnt make sense imo, specially because fnatic didnt play against any of the teams loud 2022 played against

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heistheoneandonly

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even if pancada is better mechanically than tuyz, which lets say he is, all the other og loud players, aspas, less, and saadhak have only gotten better since 2022, and their peak was probably champs which is after they had the entire year to improve, + cauan being better than sacy.

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koromast

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that has nothing to do with what i said tho i just told you you´re wrong on the pancada and tuyz subject

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heistheoneandonly

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i would agree but ur a kru fan so wrong

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Havoc clears both cauanzin and sacy