james_ff situation update thread

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kaninv

I will try to update this when possible and keep it factual

Events:

James_ff, a regular poster of potential Valorant roster moves on VLR replies to George Geddes on Twitter saying "vlr knew it first" to NRG making a roster overhaul to which George replies "if you take that website seriously please seek help"
James_ff makes a Twitter to report the moves himself
James_ff in his 2nd Twitter post ever puts out information about trials that was later proven not factual when presented as such
George Geddes responds with "lol" to the James_ff Twitter post about said trials
ds_santos(Eutalyx) posts on Twitter that James_ff is "lowering the bar for esports journalists" and calls him a "forum and basement dweller"
VLR posters got mad at George and made a thread about it on VLR, ds_santos also known as Eutalyx posted in the thread saying "James is an absolute clown" to the outrage of VLR
James_ff then posted on VLR calling George out for his reply to the Twitter post and VLR rallied behind him
VLR thread was made calling out ds_santos (Eutalyx) for what they said about James_ff
Hudsen posts on the ds_santos VLR thread saying that James_ff isn't doing "journalism" but rather "investigative content creation" since he is being nosy rather than being in the know
Hudsen posts on Twitter that "you can't make people understand something they have no desire to comprehend" after posting his comments on the VLR thread
Hudsen clarifies that adding context and background is what bridges "investigative content creation" vs "journalism"
ds_santos (Eutalyx) posts on Twitter that this is "the modern esports journalist's downfall" in a sarcasm filled Tweet citing comments and posts made by VLR users
Ferahgo posts a VLR thread about James_ff where Ferahgo encourages James_ff's posts and states that the reason journalists are pissed off comes down to that larger journalists only post stuff they know is 100% correct and is verifiable and work very hard to do so which James is not doing
James_ff made a VLR thread responding to everything stating that he is thankful for the help but didn't want to create drama and will continue his work along with stating yay reached out with information regarding the team members he was playing with

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bobkiller

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wait wasn’t Chet in the scrims so it makes sense that it was an nrg trial?

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kaninv

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to my knowledge yes, that is why it was assumed as an NRG trial. this was, from what I know, before any information was leaked that Chet would be leaving NRG as well
any corrections appreciated

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extan

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I love james but if he gets information/“leaks” wrong he should be held accountable like everyone else

being rude and just saying “lol” or calling people a clown without further explanation is L behaviour though

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tbf james does not have sources to help him like george geddes does so its not fair for him to say “lol” when james is basically doing this solo and george has many background sources and still reports nothing

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yeah but if you’re giving out information then it doesn’t matter how many sources you have put you’re working solo

if you’re right you’re right, if you’re wrong you’re wrong, I agree it’s dumb to just say “lol” though and not reclarify or smth

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kaninv

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agreed! hence why I said it was slightly wrong information and he did it as a report
however he was held accountable by some people and took it well and it currently working on improving (bodork W) compared to other people who clowned on him instead, which is toxic behavior considering James someone doing their best to present information that they know and hasn't been presented yet

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wykes

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James is a newcomer to Journalism, there is absolutely no reason for a "known" Journalist like George to act like a clown upon newcomers trying to build their way up.

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wykes

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Tmosura already apologized and admitted his mistakes a few hours ago on a thread, he doesn't need to be cited in this topic.
https://www.vlr.gg/270348/tmosura-eutalyx-and-other-reporters#28

But Peorge Peddes and ds_santos haven't spoken out yet and I highly doubt they will, as both of them seem to have huge egos and attitudes worthy of clowns. 🤡

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kaninv

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thanks for the info! will update with it :)
decided to remove tmosura completely after reading over the thread

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kaninv

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well ds_santos spoke out LOL just not very well

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kaninv

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bump, updated to make it easier to read and added Hudsen comment

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kaninv

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updated with more information on Hudsen's POV 👍

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kaninv

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added Hudsen tweet as pointed out by yukky, appreciate it!
Source: https://www.vlr.gg/270388/hudsen

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kaninv

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updated with Hudsen's clarification on his "investigative content creation vs journalism" comments

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You can't really call what james_ff is doing "journalism" though because it's just not that.

"Journalism, the collection, preparation, and distribution of news and related commentary and features through such print and electronic media"
how tf isnt james work considered journalism?

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kaninv

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I think Hudsen's clarification (from his POV) is specifically citing this line

distribution of news and related commentary

I think Hudsen is trying to say that James_ff is distributing news but failing to add related commentary, therefore he's more just making investigative content creation

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kaninv

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added ds_santos (Eutalyx)'s twitter post (thanks again yukky)
source: https://www.vlr.gg/270394/santos-response-lol

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Kirya

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you're doing a better job than leorge leddes thank you
keep us informed brother

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kaninv

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updated with ferahgo's post :)

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yukky

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wait bro is a better journalist than everyone here with a single thread

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kaninv

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I took inspiration from HLTV's posts when a tournament is going on kinda
you add sources and comments/posts constantly being made on one thread so people can go through and come back and see updates
I am glad you and others are enjoying

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kaninv

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updated with a TL;DR of what Ferahgo said :)

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kaninv

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added lore uncovered by Kirya ^_^
source: https://www.vlr.gg/270353/why-it-all-started#14
most likely no more updates until James replies or more subtweeting/posts happen :)

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Kirya

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W
you could probably put that as #1 cause that's basically when the drama started

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kaninv

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yea I'll reorder it ty for pointing that out

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tldr: james own george

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kaninv

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updated with ds_santos' original tweet about James :)
found from: https://www.vlr.gg/270254/diogo-santos-come
thanks again yukky

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Kirya

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I feel like a lot of people could be interested in that drama
post it on twitter or somewhere else maybe

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kaninv

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I have 0 twitter reach but I'll post it and link it to this thread perhaps
I'm actually at work right now (literally no one is here so I have free time) so I will do it when possible

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Kirya

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sure buddy

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kaninv

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I lied I'm actually in my mom's basement dwelling like George and Diogo says :( I'm sorry

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Kirya

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knew it

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kaninv

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I'm a twitter noob I should've @ everyone to farm the impressions
might quickly re-do it like that

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Kirya

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all good

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kaninv

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updated

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h786

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now this is unbiased journalism 👍

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kaninv

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Added Twitter version for people who wanted it:
https://twitter.com/kaninfps/status/1698051088237117579