Tsm vs Envy | VLR.gg

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Ahmed_Fadel

Who do u think is better?
Wardell or yay
Roza or victor
Hazed or fns
Levi or crashies
Bang or marved

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Wardell
Victor
Equal
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Bang

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I'd say crashies > levi imo rest all i agree

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idk i think it tough to say wardell over yay they just play different yay is for sure better at rifling but the impact of the wardell op is insane

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Doesn't even matter, Wardell joins server to 1v11 (including both the coaches) and 26-0 ENVY. Easy, another day at the office for daddydell

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wardell > yay
roza = victor
hazed = fns
levi << crashies
bang > marved

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Ahmed_Fadel

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I totally agree

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Crashes only plays initiators well... Levi can do initiators and viper and honestly Levi does more for the team and his utility usage is better... crashes used to be good but better sovas have come out such as Bcj and critical

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BcJ has noted that one of the people that helped him become a better sova is crashies, even ayrin claimed “he’s in love with crashies”

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Ok

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Wardell
Victor
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Crashies
Bang

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Wardell
Victor
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yay or wardell is a toss up
victor
fns
crashies
marved

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Bait post 0/8 NT

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"It's FNS peak him"

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keep talking on wednesday

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I will... Mummay leaking all of FNS strats to TSM on his revenge tour

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Depends which version of Wardell. Wardell seems to have a higher ceiling but also a lower floor.

Victor, but Roza is still good.

Fns as an igl, but Hazed probably has better overall mechanics.

Crashies is better/more impactful, but Levi is insane. Crashies is either best or second best Sova NA. Levi isn't far behind.

Toss up. I like Marved, I like Bang. I think I err on the side of Marved (biased, of course) for his experience, but Bang has a chance to really show his value in this tourney and potentially Berlin.

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Victor will be playing Skye this tourney (according to his stream). I would say Roza > Victor since Roza's skye is better if not the best NA

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shammy

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Yeah I'd assume it depends map to map. If Victor is only playing Skye, then I'm with you.

I'd imagine he plays some Phoenix though, where I like his impact a lot more.

We will see. Either way I like how these teams matchup. I think it should be a fun match.

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DucWallace

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He said Phoenix isn't as good anymore since the flashes are easy to dodge and doesn't last long. But we'll see in a few days, who knows

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shammy

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Yeah I personally never fully trust the streams - that's my hangup here. They're always playing mind games on streams (or just straight up trolling).

If he was being honest, I really hope his Skye has improved.

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I agree with u but wardell doesnt have a lower floor at a bad day wardell would stay top frag

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shammy

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Agree to disagree. I think Wardell's peak is higher, but I definitely think his play style can cause a lower floor.

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I said agree for the rest of players , i disagree with wardell one,

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shammy

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Yes, agree to disagree on wardell

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idk why I feel like TSM will win this cuz envy has little time to practice with new teammate

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Ahmed_Fadel

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Every team that picked a new player in little time did well, i think because valorant is new not like csgo, for example tenz did well with sen, levi did well with tsm, v1 also picked a player before iceland and did well

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if envy had 2-3 weeks to practice i would favor them a lot more but on this short notice the game is a coinflip, maybe 40-60 favoring tsm

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Andrew412

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Wardell
Depends both are inconsistent but Victor is way more consistent and is better
FNS
Dont know
Bang because he knows how to defuse the spike.

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Ahmed_Fadel

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Crashies and bcj are 1# and 2# , levi is good but crashies is far away

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you didn't had to do my boy marved like that

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wardell = yay
victor > subroza
hazed > fns mechanics wise, fns > IGL wise
crashies > levi
bang possibly = marved but i'm being a little bias here because I haven't seen bang play much.

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shammy

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Good take, I agree

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Finally someone with sense. Also nice username.

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Ahmed_Fadel

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Yay is insane, but wardell with op is more valuable

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subroza take is debatable...cuz the last time these 2 teams met subroza was owning them with raze on split...you just never knows what'll happen

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Wardell
Victor
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Levi
Equal

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shammy

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I keep seeing Levi over Crashies and I just don't get it.

Crashies is pretty widely considered best Sova NA, top 2 at the very least. Levi is insane, but I'll take Crashies at the moment

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DucWallace

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And why is Crashies the better Sova?

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shammy

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Proven track record over a long span of time as one of the best performing Sova's in NA. Great mechanics, great support, and has been very clutch. This is against teams like 100T, Sen, XSET, and so on for months now. A good portion of Leviathan's games still include all the lower tier competition from before. He's got to do more at the top.

But it's not a slight on Leviathan. I thought he was one of the best AMs to pick up when TSM snagged him (I would've taken Levi before Bang tbh). I would've been pounding the table for Envy to pick up Levi if they didn't already have Crashies. I just don't think he's done enough in the top tier to be put over Crashies yet. The kid is insane, like best Sova NA potential, but it's too soon to crown him imo.

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mans gotta prove himself against top teams like 100T,SEN,ENVY and XSET....i agree

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shammy

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Yeah love Leviathan as a player, don't want people thinking I'm hating on the kid. Just gotta keep performing like he is as the competition gets tougher, that's all.

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It's because imo, I just think Levi has better fragging capabilities and is very flexible, but i guess you can say the same for crashies, but i see him beating crashies

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Revlo

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Wardell but it's close
Victor
Hazed
Crashies
Marved

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Wardell Op Better, Yay Rifling Better. Equal on Jett, Yay is a better sage. Tied IMO

Victor>Roza. Roza too inconsistent to be considered better than Vic

FNS better IGL, Hazed better Aim. depending on what you value you can make cases for both. Im siding with Hazed because his IGLing is also decent along with his frag power.

Crashies>Levi. Not only is crashies better that Levi on sova, i think hes the best sova NA. Levi has more flexibility but still siding with Crashies here.

Marved>Bang. Bang has 1000x better flexibility but inconsistent asf while marved consistently puts up value on omen.

All in all it doesnt really matter if one team has better players than the other, whichever team has more coordination/strategy will win. This is my nonbiased take. thoughts?

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DucWallace

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You talk about inconsistency but when was the last time Subroza was inconsistent? He was not in the previous tournament. He might have been in a slump a while ago but that's about it.

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shammy

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Agree. This is almost exactly the way I look at it.

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i think bang just had no confidence before... now he does and he fragging

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Equal
Victor
FNS
Crashies
Bang