absolute banger
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
7
6
+1
|
7
8
-1
|
8
6
+2
|
8
3
+5
|
11
5
+6
|
Redgar
M3C
|
4
7
-3
|
3
2
+1
|
5
7
-2
|
3
4
-1
|
5
9
-4
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
5
3
+2
|
2
7
-5
|
5
10
-5
|
4
5
-1
|
5
10
-5
|
sheydos
M3C
|
6
9
-3
|
7
7
+0
|
8
3
+5
|
4
6
-2
|
6
7
-1
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
2
7
-5
|
7
5
+2
|
8
5
+3
|
7
5
+2
|
4
11
-7
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
1
1
+0
|
|
2
1
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
2
2
+0
|
Redgar
M3C
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
2
1
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
0
4
-4
|
|
2
3
-1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
0
2
-2
|
2
0
+2
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
3
-3
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
2
1
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
0
1
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
0
3
-3
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
1
1
+0
|
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
sheydos
M3C
|
1
1
+0
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
1
-1
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
M3C
|
|
8
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
33
|
1
|
0
|
nAts
M3C
|
|
7
|
3
|
1
|
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
78
|
1
|
0
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
8
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
52
|
7
|
0
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
3
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
52
|
4
|
1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
|
6
|
3
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
56
|
2
|
2
|
ScreaM
TL
|
|
8
|
|
|
|
1
|
|
|
|
|
51
|
0
|
0
|
soulcas
TL
|
|
7
|
|
1
|
|
2
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
53
|
1
|
2
|
Dreamas
TL
|
|
3
|
|
1
|
|
2
|
1
|
|
|
|
49
|
9
|
5
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
8
|
2
|
2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
70
|
1
|
1
|
Nivera
TL
|
|
6
|
|
2
|
|
1
|
1
|
|
|
|
67
|
3
|
0
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
5
4
+1
|
5
2
+3
|
4
3
+1
|
4
0
+4
|
6
4
+2
|
Redgar
M3C
|
2
4
-2
|
3
0
+3
|
2
3
-1
|
3
2
+1
|
2
5
-3
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
3
2
+1
|
1
4
-3
|
3
5
-2
|
2
2
+0
|
1
5
-4
|
sheydos
M3C
|
4
4
+0
|
3
5
-2
|
5
2
+3
|
3
2
+1
|
5
4
+1
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
0
3
-3
|
3
2
+1
|
3
5
-2
|
2
1
+1
|
2
7
-5
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
|
|
2
0
+2
|
1
0
+1
|
1
1
+0
|
Redgar
M3C
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
2
0
+2
|
|
0
2
-2
|
|
1
2
-1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
0
2
-2
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
0
2
-2
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
M3C
|
|
4
Round 1
Jamppi
Dreamas
Round 5
Nivera
ScreaM
Round 6
Nivera
ScreaM
Round 10
ScreaM
Dreamas
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
29
|
0
|
0
|
nAts
M3C
|
|
3
Round 3
ScreaM
Jamppi
Round 13
Dreamas
Nivera
Round 18
Dreamas
Jamppi
|
2
Round 15
Nivera
soulcas
Jamppi
Round 20
soulcas
Jamppi
Nivera
|
1
Round 9
ScreaM
Dreamas
Nivera
soulcas
|
|
|
|
1
Round 20
ScreaM
Nivera
Jamppi
|
|
|
92
|
1
|
0
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
3
Round 13
soulcas
Jamppi
Round 16
Jamppi
ScreaM
Round 18
soulcas
ScreaM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
39
|
5
|
0
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
2
Round 1
ScreaM
Nivera
Round 8
Dreamas
soulcas
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
57
|
2
|
1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
|
5
Round 3
soulcas
Nivera
Round 6
Dreamas
Jamppi
Round 11
Nivera
Jamppi
Round 12
ScreaM
Jamppi
Round 19
ScreaM
Nivera
|
1
Round 2
ScreaM
Jamppi
Dreamas
|
|
|
1
Round 3
Nivera
|
|
|
|
|
64
|
0
|
2
|
ScreaM
TL
|
|
5
Round 1
nAts
sheydos
Round 4
Chronicle
nAts
Round 5
Chronicle
Redgar
Round 13
d3ffo
Redgar
Round 21
nAts
Redgar
|
|
|
|
1
Round 8
d3ffo
|
|
|
|
|
55
|
0
|
0
|
soulcas
TL
|
|
4
Round 6
sheydos
d3ffo
Round 10
sheydos
d3ffo
Round 11
d3ffo
sheydos
Round 14
sheydos
nAts
|
|
|
|
1
Round 11
sheydos
|
1
Round 6
sheydos
d3ffo
|
|
|
|
44
|
1
|
0
|
Dreamas
TL
|
|
1
Round 14
d3ffo
Chronicle
|
|
|
|
|
1
Round 15
nAts
Redgar
|
|
|
|
20
|
7
|
3
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
7
Round 4
Redgar
d3ffo
Round 7
d3ffo
Chronicle
Round 8
Chronicle
sheydos
Round 12
d3ffo
Redgar
Round 16
sheydos
nAts
Round 20
sheydos
Redgar
Round 21
sheydos
Chronicle
|
|
1
Round 2
d3ffo
nAts
Redgar
Chronicle
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
94
|
1
|
1
|
Nivera
TL
|
|
4
Round 3
Redgar
nAts
Round 8
Redgar
nAts
Round 13
Chronicle
sheydos
Round 15
sheydos
Chronicle
|
|
1
Round 19
nAts
d3ffo
Redgar
Chronicle
|
|
1
Round 2
sheydos
|
1
Round 13
nAts
sheydos
|
|
|
|
60
|
2
|
0
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
2
2
+0
|
2
6
-4
|
4
3
+1
|
4
3
+1
|
5
1
+4
|
Redgar
M3C
|
2
3
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
3
4
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
3
4
-1
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
2
1
+1
|
1
3
-2
|
2
5
-3
|
2
3
-1
|
4
5
-1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
2
5
-3
|
4
2
+2
|
3
1
+2
|
1
4
-3
|
1
3
-2
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
2
4
-2
|
4
3
+1
|
5
0
+5
|
5
4
+1
|
2
4
-2
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
1
1
+0
|
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
1
+0
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
|
1
1
+0
|
sheydos
M3C
|
0
2
-2
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
|
|
0
1
-1
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
|
Nivera
TL
|
soulcas
TL
|
ScreaM
TL
|
Dreamas
TL
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
nAts
M3C
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
d3ffo
M3C
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
sheydos
M3C
|
1
1
+0
|
|
1
0
+1
|
|
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
0
1
-1
|
|
|
|
0
1
-1
|
2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
d3ffo
M3C
|
|
4
Round 1
Nivera
Jamppi
Round 8
soulcas
ScreaM
Round 11
Nivera
Jamppi
Round 18
Jamppi
ScreaM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
36
|
1
|
0
|
nAts
M3C
|
|
4
Round 1
ScreaM
Dreamas
Round 2
Jamppi
ScreaM
Round 6
Nivera
Jamppi
Round 17
ScreaM
Dreamas
|
1
Round 19
soulcas
Jamppi
Nivera
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
63
|
0
|
0
|
Chronicle
M3C
|
|
5
Round 10
soulcas
Dreamas
Round 12
ScreaM
Dreamas
Round 13
ScreaM
Dreamas
Round 14
Dreamas
ScreaM
Round 18
Nivera
soulcas
Chronicle
|
|
1
Round 15
ScreaM
Nivera
Jamppi
soulcas
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
65
|
2
|
0
|
Redgar
M3C
|
|
1
Round 7
Nivera
ScreaM
|
1
Round 5
Jamppi
Nivera
ScreaM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
2
|
0
|
sheydos
M3C
|
|
1
Round 16
ScreaM
Jamppi
|
2
Round 4
Nivera
Dreamas
soulcas
Round 20
ScreaM
Nivera
soulcas
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
48
|
2
|
0
|
ScreaM
TL
|
|
3
Round 1
d3ffo
Redgar
Round 6
d3ffo
Redgar
Round 8
nAts
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
0
|
0
|
soulcas
TL
|
|
3
Round 1
Chronicle
nAts
Round 2
Redgar
nAts
Round 5
nAts
Redgar
|
|
1
Round 6
nAts
Chronicle
d3ffo
sheydos
|
|
1
Round 1
nAts
|
|
1
Round 6
sheydos
d3ffo
Chronicle
|
|
|
61
|
0
|
2
|
Dreamas
TL
|
|
2
Round 11
Chronicle
Redgar
Round 18
nAts
d3ffo
Dreamas
|
|
1
Round 20
Chronicle
nAts
d3ffo
sheydos
|
|
2
Round 18
Chronicle
Round 20
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
77
|
2
|
2
|
Jamppi
TL
|
|
1
Round 2
d3ffo
sheydos
|
2
Round 12
Redgar
Chronicle
d3ffo
Round 14
nAts
d3ffo
Chronicle
|
1
Round 9
d3ffo
Chronicle
Redgar
sheydos
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
45
|
0
|
0
|
Nivera
TL
|
|
2
Round 7
d3ffo
Chronicle
Round 8
Chronicle
Redgar
|
|
1
Round 13
nAts
sheydos
Redgar
Chronicle
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
74
|
1
|
0
|
I was waiting for you to say this.
Just like that, just accept the FACT that Navi also played well. And it's not like if any team loses a 5v4 then they are bad. The opposite team could have a really strong retake/post plant! Plus liquid didn't actually lose the 5v4 so you can not be saying "Easy for M3C" just because liquid ALMOST lost a 5v4
Liquid have no motivation in this match
Guild secured 1st seed, Liquid secured playoffs, there's nothing they can gain
About BIG/Navi:
BIG improved a lot between 1st week and 4th week, a lot means 300% better gameplay
Liquid were 1 round away from losing to Navi multiple times, only won because of dinkzj having the worst day he could ever have, else they'd lose
The gap between M3C and TL doesn't exist, and even if it does, it leans towards M3C
I never said M3C will lose to Liquid, Gambit have defeated both times they've played Liquid and Liquid don't have an official coach rn so the match highly leans towards M3C. I was just saying that if someone's saying "Liquid almost lost a 5v4 so they won't win against M3C" then it's wrong Otherwise I am highly sure M3C will win because they need to win this
Sorry, man, I just don't like how people overrate Liquid, when they are average team with star players. I didn't say that they are bad. But they not too strong how a lot people think, like they can easily beat every team. It's just my opinion. I not try to Impose it to you.
Yea, Navi played well. I know how well they can be. But dinkzj was in very bad shape for this match. Unlucky but it is what it is. That is the only reason why I say 5v4.
And i said "easy for M3C" for support team which one I prefer more and which one I think is stronger.
Of corse Liquid can win because it's a sport. Anything can happen.
Nono! I am not saying Liquid will win. Both M3C and Liquid are struggling rn but I am sure M3C will try their hardest because they need to win this at all costs. I was just saying that if you think M3C will win only because Liquid ALMOST lost a 5v4 then that's wrong to say. Otherwise Gambit have defeated Liquid both the times they've played plus Liquid is playing with a sub so it should be a win for M3C but it's gonna be a close game
They just can't tell d3ffo to go away, he has contract, only org can terminate it, and they won't because it'd mean a necessity to pay tens of thousands of dollars for another player
My prediction: nats, sheydos, chronicle will form a core, which (+2 players) will be acquired by one of EMEA franchised teams in 2023