There are no minor regions yes. At least the top from every region is the same. Next year we can flip a coin who wins champions and it can be from JP, China, India, EMEA, Brazil…
There is no skill gap between the top teams. The only difference is the depth of tier2-1.5 teams of EMEA, APAC and NA that is better than from other regions atm
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Supr3meGucci [#6]Yeah i think there has to be some change to make the skill ceiling higher
Unless riot changes the very fundamentals of the game, then that won't happen.
Btw I got hated and called a racist for this opinion here:
https://www.vlr.gg/89573/val-no-skill-ceiling/#76
People really think Japan for example has found a secret recipe + worked 25 hours a day and now they are the best?
Ibis [#11]Btw I got hated and called a racist for this opinion here:
https://www.vlr.gg/89573/val-no-skill-ceiling/#76
People really think Japan for example has found a secret recipe + worked 25 hours a day and now they are the best?
Yes, when you have the brain power you will figure it out in less time
weferf [#14]Yes, when you have the brain power you will figure it out in less time
He's right though
Netero [#10]Valulrant has the highest skill ceiling that's why bots like nitro and Floppy had to leave, couldn't handle dealing with that much utility and you can just buy awp and drop 50 every game against non EU teams.
Truth
Zeah [#3]would vct still interesting to watch after every team from every region hit the skill ceiling?
the problem (if it is a problem) is valorant's changing meta means that teams are essentially reset in the way they play and what they play whenever a new meta starts and utility usage is a huge part of valorant, meaning hitting a skill ceiling wouldnt matter really.
ballistA [#2]+1 I think the nature of this game and how chaotic it is makes it a much more random skill ceiling where anyone can beat anyone
true, no matter how good a player is you can always just click on their head. in LoL western players can never and will never beat eastern players because they are just that much better, in this game theres so much chaos it makes it easier
shrado [#4]valorant has a low skill ceiling because of the easy utility and the slow big hitboxes. therefore it is easier for tier 2 regions to compete
so braindead, lol. That is not what people are referring to when they say skill ceiling being low -- or at least, it shouldn't be.
Valorant has a lot of utility, which creates a huge amount of variables. That's what introduces elements of randomness to the game.
Think about all conventional sports -- football, basketball, rugby, baseball, hockey. They are all basic at the fundamental level, and so you have to fine-tune a small number of variables to extremely high levels in order to win + athleticism.
Simple games create high skill ceilings because you have to rinse and repeat a small number of things over and over for perfection. CS:GO is a more simplistic game, and therefore it requires absolute mastery to be good. It's not only about the hitboxes and shooting... That's one tiny element. The real difference is that Valorant has so many variables, which makes it harder to win consistently, and therefore harder to predict and harder to anticipate round to round.
You really make this thread again because Optic (Western team) lose to DRX (Korean team) :)). You should clear your mindset ''Asian bad at FPS/CSGO'' first and we start to debate about ''skill ceiling''. DRX dominated Optic on Ascent and you said ''skill gap no existed'' . Maybe quit watching Val will make your mental health better
heavnsent [#21]so braindead, lol. That is not what people are referring to when they say skill ceiling being low -- or at least, it shouldn't be.
Valorant has a lot of utility, which creates a huge amount of variables. That's what introduces elements of randomness to the game.
Think about all conventional sports -- football, basketball, rugby, baseball, hockey. They are all basic at the fundamental level, and so you have to fine-tune a small number of variables to extremely high levels in order to win + athleticism.
Simple games create high skill ceilings because you have to rinse and repeat a small number of things over and over for perfection. CS:GO is a more simplistic game, and therefore it requires absolute mastery to be good. It's not only about the hitboxes and shooting... That's one tiny element. The real difference is that Valorant has so many variables, which makes it harder to win consistently, and therefore harder to predict and harder to anticipate round to round.
so braindead, lol. That is not what people are referring to when they say skill ceiling being low -- or at least, it shouldn't be.
Valorant has a lot of utility, which creates a huge amount of variables. That's what introduces elements of randomness to the game.
Think about all conventional sports -- football, basketball, rugby, baseball, hockey. They are all basic at the fundamental level, and so you have to fine-tune a small number of variables to extremely high levels in order to win + athleticism.
Simple games create high skill ceilings because you have to rinse and repeat a small number of things over and over for perfection. CS:GO is a more simplistic game, and therefore it requires absolute mastery to be good. It's not only about the hitboxes and shooting... That's one tiny element. The real difference is that Valorant has so many variables, which makes it harder to win consistently, and therefore harder to predict and harder to anticipate round to round.
heavnsent [#21]so braindead, lol. That is not what people are referring to when they say skill ceiling being low -- or at least, it shouldn't be.
Valorant has a lot of utility, which creates a huge amount of variables. That's what introduces elements of randomness to the game.
Think about all conventional sports -- football, basketball, rugby, baseball, hockey. They are all basic at the fundamental level, and so you have to fine-tune a small number of variables to extremely high levels in order to win + athleticism.
Simple games create high skill ceilings because you have to rinse and repeat a small number of things over and over for perfection. CS:GO is a more simplistic game, and therefore it requires absolute mastery to be good. It's not only about the hitboxes and shooting... That's one tiny element. The real difference is that Valorant has so many variables, which makes it harder to win consistently, and therefore harder to predict and harder to anticipate round to round.
so braindead, lol. That is not what people are referring to when they say skill ceiling being low -- or at least, it shouldn't be.
Valorant has a lot of utility, which creates a huge amount of variables. That's what introduces elements of randomness to the game.
Think about all conventional sports -- football, basketball, rugby, baseball, hockey. They are all basic at the fundamental level, and so you have to fine-tune a small number of variables to extremely high levels in order to win + athleticism.
Simple games create high skill ceilings because you have to rinse and repeat a small number of things over and over for perfection. CS:GO is a more simplistic game, and therefore it requires absolute mastery to be good. It's not only about the hitboxes and shooting... That's one tiny element. The real difference is that Valorant has so many variables, which makes it harder to win consistently, and therefore harder to predict and harder to anticipate round to round.
unknown_trash [#17]the problem (if it is a problem) is valorant's changing meta means that teams are essentially reset in the way they play and what they play whenever a new meta starts and utility usage is a huge part of valorant, meaning hitting a skill ceiling wouldnt matter really.
yep its just like every other games, since i came from dota esport scene its pretty normal seeing a top team went shit after big changes
shrado [#23]so braindead, lol. That is not what people are referring to when they say skill ceiling being low -- or at least, it shouldn't be.
Valorant has a lot of utility, which creates a huge amount of variables. That's what introduces elements of randomness to the game.
Think about all conventional sports -- football, basketball, rugby, baseball, hockey. They are all basic at the fundamental level, and so you have to fine-tune a small number of variables to extremely high levels in order to win + athleticism.
Simple games create high skill ceilings because you have to rinse and repeat a small number of things over and over for perfection. CS:GO is a more simplistic game, and therefore it requires absolute mastery to be good. It's not only about the hitboxes and shooting... That's one tiny element. The real difference is that Valorant has so many variables, which makes it harder to win consistently, and therefore harder to predict and harder to anticipate round to round.
so braindead, lol.
PoohShiesty [#9]Unless riot changes the very fundamentals of the game, then that won't happen.
Just adding consistent spray pattern will increase skill ceiling
weferf [#8]Or create another FPS with 2x skill ceiling of CSGO and watch KR rapes EU
how does that work
mydekq [#24]csgo is at least 3 times easier than valorant
say this after a team in val wins a major 3 times a row
unknown_trash [#17]the problem (if it is a problem) is valorant's changing meta means that teams are essentially reset in the way they play and what they play whenever a new meta starts and utility usage is a huge part of valorant, meaning hitting a skill ceiling wouldnt matter really.
there isn't really a true meta, teams arent coming up with cool ideas or something because of riot coming in and fucking up the balance every couple months
BrazilianBeast [#32]say this after a team in val wins a major 3 times a row
Prime astralis wouldn't get more than 2 round against DRX
Netero [#34]Prime astralis wouldn't get more than 2 round against DRX
prime astralis dont even know who drx are
BrazilianBeast [#29]Just adding consistent spray pattern will increase skill ceiling
True, but they will never do that. All the casual players wouldn't play anymore.
valulrantefanboy [#22]You really make this thread again because Optic (Western team) lose to DRX (Korean team) :)). You should clear your mindset ''Asian bad at FPS/CSGO'' first and we start to debate about ''skill ceiling''. DRX dominated Optic on Ascent and you said ''skill gap no existed'' . Maybe quit watching Val will make your mental health better
Your the one always thinking about race/ethnicity and skin colour. I would have created the same thread if Japan Korea and China dominated last year of valorant and suddenly would lose to NA EMEA convincingly
Im not taking away from VS that they are good btw
Maybe you should quit fakeflagging and show that you are actually from turkey, the country where people basically don’t like any other nation ( I know enough people who live there)
BrazilianBeast [#32]say this after a team in val wins a major 3 times a row
+1 based brazilian
this will never happen
Ibis [#37]Your the one always thinking about race/ethnicity and skin colour. I would have created the same thread if Japan Korea and China dominated last year of valorant and suddenly would lose to NA EMEA convincingly
Im not taking away from VS that they are good btw
Maybe you should quit fakeflagging and show that you are actually from turkey, the country where people basically don’t like any other nation ( I know enough people who live there)
Then explain why you made 2 threads right after 2 Asian team matches. You literally have stereotype about 'Asian bad at FSS"' or sth. And you not even a pro player to know about ''skill ceiling'' ''skill gap'' . You think DRX won Optic Ascent with big ''score'' gap because of random ?? Watch Tarik or some analysts to know about how good teams play . SKill ceiling not only about ''gun play'' or ''mechanics'' , every game have different skill-sets to master. And btw, I'm not Turk , and you seems also racist toward Turks '*you are actually from turkey, the country where people basically don’t like any other nation :))
PoohShiesty [#36]True, but they will never do that. All the casual players wouldn't play anymore.
Riot is so noob friendly
mydekq [#24]csgo is at least 3 times easier than valorant
Here is an example of someone that never played CS.
Even ex-lol players and ex-paladins player can play at tier 1 valorant teams but they can’t even compete for CSGO tier 2
valulrantefanboy [#39]Then explain why you made 2 threads right after 2 Asian team matches. You literally have stereotype about 'Asian bad at FSS"' or sth. And you not even a pro player to know about ''skill ceiling'' ''skill gap'' . You think DRX won Optic Ascent with big ''score'' gap because of random ?? Watch Tarik or some analysts to know about how good teams play . SKill ceiling not only about ''gun play'' or ''mechanics'' , every game have different skill-sets to master. And btw, I'm not Turk , and you seems also racist toward Turks '*you are actually from turkey, the country where people basically don’t like any other nation :))
Yes I’m racist to turks with a Turkish name xD are Turkish people who say that about their people (most of them) racist? I don’t wanna waste my time w you, have a nice day
Ibis [#11]Btw I got hated and called a racist for this opinion here:
https://www.vlr.gg/89573/val-no-skill-ceiling/#76
People really think Japan for example has found a secret recipe + worked 25 hours a day and now they are the best?
my counterpoint https://www.vlr.gg/89986/skill-ceiling-allegations
mydekq [#45]what?
he's saying that no team will ever be consistently good in this game because the skill ceiling is so low. and he's right.
Sukita [#41]Here is an example of someone that never played CS.
Even ex-lol players and ex-paladins player can play at tier 1 valorant teams but they can’t even compete for CSGO tier 2
ex-lol players??? and paladins/overwatch is closer to valorant than it is to csgo, your statement means nothing
verse [#46]he's saying that no team will ever be consistently good in this game because the skill ceiling is so low. and he's right.
valorant competitive is like a baby compared to cs and other games lol give the teams time and this will eventually happen
weferf [#8]Or create another FPS with 2x skill ceiling of CSGO and watch KR rapes EU
niko and s1mple would like to know your location
Omega_lul [#13]Rebuff astra (little bit)so W keying has a counter
The skill ceiling will be back
actually good idea 👍
wowzerswow [#53]PRX out aimed and outstratted G2, they were better.
just ignore him, everytime Asian team win againts Western team , he will pop up
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