that wasnt your initial point
"yeah in their vct opener lmao, not after like 4 weeks"
-referring to optic losing
+1st week or 4th week, it is still part of the same group stage. So both are as relevant. If you go to like last year's champions, the results of that isn't as relevant rn because it isn't part of this group stage. But the first week all the way to the last week is part of the same group stage which means all results are equally as valid
i swear you haven't been reading a single one of my replies, you've said the same thing over and over. i've clarified your misunderstanding many times; the 1st week match is not nearly as relevant to current form as the 4th week is, and optic went 4-1 in maps after that, while rise went 1-6, obviously proving how the first week was a fluke. you're just stating the same moot point that "all games are equal in the tournament", while i have clarified the true meaning of what i said many many times