guys we keep blaming subroza and wardell too much then it should imo, especially wardell on the jett now he left that role to play only sentinel and he is pulling insane numbers on chamber , lets be real he is the best oper out ther rn although i agree he force oping a little too much and it hurts his team eco , same said about subroza he is pulling gerat numbers on smoke agents and sometimes skye( there isnt a smoke player pulling his number ) , tsm cant release these two bcz marketing wise they are giving way way more benifit to the org as their streams pull good numbers. all i mentiend above is as clear as the sun and all of you know it , but didnt guys pay attention that also the org is to blame here also, lets be real tsm isnt investing enough money to bring players that are ready to play at the top , if you look at history they brought a 16 yo bang , rossy , levi ,coery(decent but not consistent) all these players are decent but not the best out there in the market , for example i rememeber a subroaza's tweet when NV snatched YAY it was like he felt an opportunity lost, if you guys dont know suboroza and wardell knows yay pretty well as they played cs under same roaster , so lets stop blaming these players only and talk about the managment , if you are a tsm fan maybe ask the org to invest money in some really good jett player and a good igl (instead of an inexperienced 18 yo )
tsm players arent the only to blame
guys we keep blaming subroza and wardell too much then it should imo, especially wardell on the jett now he left that role to play only sentinel and he is pulling insane numbers on chamber , lets be real he is the best oper out ther rn although i agree he force oping a little too much and it hurts his team eco , same said about subroza he is pulling gerat numbers on smoke agents and sometimes skye( there isnt a smoke player pulling his number ) , tsm cant release these two bcz marketing wise they are giving way way more benifit to the org as their streams pull good numbers. all i mentiend above is as clear as the sun and all of you know it , but didnt guys pay attention that also the org is to blame here also, lets be real tsm isnt investing enough money to bring players that are ready to play at the top , if you look at history they brought a 16 yo bang , rossy , levi ,coery(decent but not consistent) all these players are decent but not the best out there in the market , for example i rememeber a subroaza's tweet when NV snatched YAY it was like he felt an opportunity lost, if you guys dont know suboroza and wardell knows yay pretty well as they played cs under same roaster , so lets stop blaming these players only and talk about the managment , if you are a tsm fan maybe ask the org to invest money in some really good jett player and a good igl (instead of an inexperienced 18 yo )
CalypsoGHC [#3]guys we keep blaming subroza and wardell too much then it should imo, especially wardell on the jett now he left that role to play only sentinel and he is pulling insane numbers on chamber , lets be real he is the best oper out ther rn although i agree he force oping a little too much and it hurts his team eco , same said about subroza he is pulling gerat numbers on smoke agents and sometimes skye( there isnt a smoke player pulling his number ) , tsm cant release these two bcz marketing wise they are giving way way more benifit to the org as their streams pull good numbers. all i mentiend above is as clear as the sun and all of you know it , but didnt guys pay attention that also the org is to blame here also, lets be real tsm isnt investing enough money to bring players that are ready to play at the top , if you look at history they brought a 16 yo bang , rossy , levi ,coery(decent but not consistent) all these players are decent but not the best out there in the market , for example i rememeber a subroaza's tweet when NV snatched YAY it was like he felt an opportunity lost, if you guys dont know suboroza and wardell knows yay pretty well as they played cs under same roaster , so lets stop blaming these players only and talk about the managment , if you are a tsm fan maybe ask the org to invest money in some really good jett player and a good igl (instead of an inexperienced 18 yo )
guys we keep blaming subroza and wardell too much then it should imo, especially wardell on the jett now he left that role to play only sentinel and he is pulling insane numbers on chamber , lets be real he is the best oper out ther rn although i agree he force oping a little too much and it hurts his team eco , same said about subroza he is pulling gerat numbers on smoke agents and sometimes skye( there isnt a smoke player pulling his number ) , tsm cant release these two bcz marketing wise they are giving way way more benifit to the org as their streams pull good numbers. all i mentiend above is as clear as the sun and all of you know it , but didnt guys pay attention that also the org is to blame here also, lets be real tsm isnt investing enough money to bring players that are ready to play at the top , if you look at history they brought a 16 yo bang , rossy , levi ,coery(decent but not consistent) all these players are decent but not the best out there in the market , for example i rememeber a subroaza's tweet when NV snatched YAY it was like he felt an opportunity lost, if you guys dont know suboroza and wardell knows yay pretty well as they played cs under same roaster , so lets stop blaming these players only and talk about the managment , if you are a tsm fan maybe ask the org to invest money in some really good jett player and a good igl (instead of an inexperienced 18 yo )
behroz [#2]only tarik and sinatraa can save tsm and all of NA
i mean tsm should buy players of those caliber
UnrivaleD [#5]guys we keep blaming subroza and wardell too much then it should imo, especially wardell on the jett now he left that role to play only sentinel and he is pulling insane numbers on chamber , lets be real he is the best oper out ther rn although i agree he force oping a little too much and it hurts his team eco , same said about subroza he is pulling gerat numbers on smoke agents and sometimes skye( there isnt a smoke player pulling his number ) , tsm cant release these two bcz marketing wise they are giving way way more benifit to the org as their streams pull good numbers. all i mentiend above is as clear as the sun and all of you know it , but didnt guys pay attention that also the org is to blame here also, lets be real tsm isnt investing enough money to bring players that are ready to play at the top , if you look at history they brought a 16 yo bang , rossy , levi ,coery(decent but not consistent) all these players are decent but not the best out there in the market , for example i rememeber a subroaza's tweet when NV snatched YAY it was like he felt an opportunity lost, if you guys dont know suboroza and wardell knows yay pretty well as they played cs under same roaster , so lets stop blaming these players only and talk about the managment , if you are a tsm fan maybe ask the org to invest money in some really good jett player and a good igl (instead of an inexperienced 18 yo )
I kinda agree tho!
guys we keep blaming subroza and wardell too much then it should imo, especially wardell on the jett now he left that role to play only sentinel and he is pulling insane numbers on chamber , lets be real he is the best oper out ther rn although i agree he force oping a little too much and it hurts his team eco , same said about subroza he is pulling gerat numbers on smoke agents and sometimes skye( there isnt a smoke player pulling his number ) , tsm cant release these two bcz marketing wise they are giving way way more benifit to the org as their streams pull good numbers. all i mentiend above is as clear as the sun and all of you know it , but didnt guys pay attention that also the org is to blame here also, lets be real tsm isnt investing enough money to bring players that are ready to play at the top , if you look at history they brought a 16 yo bang , rossy , levi ,coery(decent but not consistent) all these players are decent but not the best out there in the market , for example i rememeber a subroaza's tweet when NV snatched YAY it was like he felt an opportunity lost, if you guys dont know suboroza and wardell knows yay pretty well as they played cs under same roaster , so lets stop blaming these players only and talk about the managment , if you are a tsm fan maybe ask the org to invest money in some really good jett player and a good igl (instead of an inexperienced 18 yo )
unknown_trash [#11]But bang is doing so well now, i don't think it's all about them hiring bad players but it's about the players being put on the wrong roles.
i agree with you on bang they put him on wrong role , but recent pick ups rossy levi and corey they played same role that played on their previous teams so its not the case in the current roaster
Carthage_Er_Pola [#12]You're blind if you think TSM's downfall is because of the players they're picking up
what is it in you opinion
MonsieurBadman [#19]Pretty sure yay said yay wouldn’t have joined TSM because he wants to op.
oh really didnt know , can you tell me where did you see that plz
UnrivaleD [#21]oh really didnt know , can you tell me where did you see that plz
You have to go through the watch party he did in his last stream. He talked a lot about tsm and how they are doing things. Pretty insightful watch party. The reasoning he gave was tsm already had a jett and that was Wardell and their role would’ve clashed if he joined. You have to remember that chamber wasn’t announced when yay joined nv. Plus he said he wants to use the op. So didn’t make sense for him to join tsm.
MonsieurBadman [#24]You have to go through the watch party he did in his last stream. He talked a lot about tsm and how they are doing things. Pretty insightful watch party. The reasoning he gave was tsm already had a jett and that was Wardell and their role would’ve clashed if he joined. You have to remember that chamber wasn’t announced when yay joined nv. Plus he said he wants to use the op. So didn’t make sense for him to join tsm.
il watch it thanks it would make sens
AhsanX [#22]Sad that you just can't accept the truth
not hard to pull some op clips when thats the only gun u use kekw
jblancard [#26]not hard to pull some op clips when thats the only gun u use kekw
and also when you're playing against tier 4 teams
dexter000111 [#28]and also when you're playing against tier 4 teams
he did that against tier1 teams aswell , dexter at the beginning i thought you banter and stuff but seeing you hate at any tsm related post is kinda getting cringe dont you have something better to do in life ? ( from a non tsm bozzo)
UnrivaleD [#29]he did that against tier1 teams aswell , dexter at the beginning i thought you banter and stuff but seeing you hate at any tsm related post is kinda getting cringe dont you have something better to do in life ? ( from a non tsm bozzo)
hes just based
UnrivaleD [#29]he did that against tier1 teams aswell , dexter at the beginning i thought you banter and stuff but seeing you hate at any tsm related post is kinda getting cringe dont you have something better to do in life ? ( from a non tsm bozzo)
dammit some random guy on an internet forum has judged me cringe
Now i gotta rethink my entire life
UnrivaleD [#18]i agree with you on bang they put him on wrong role , but recent pick ups rossy levi and corey they played same role that played on their previous teams so its not the case in the current roaster
Yeah they're trying to play their roles from previous teams but those roles don't work in the TSM system. For example Corey can't really play secondary duelist flex properly in a system where his not playing with a main duelist entry player,
Corey was never the entry for Faze he was the reliable clean up man who capitalized on Babybay's aggression something he can't do next to wardell because wardell is the most defensive jett in NA and recently spends 80% of his time on Chamber which is great for clicking heads, not so good for creating opportunities, as such Corey becomes incredibly inconstant trying to play sole entry from a role that isn't Jett.
Levi is actually playing really well statistically and passes the eye test on sova, I think the big issue for levi is when he has to flex of the Sova (with a side of breach and skye) role onto secondary smokes to cover for subroza being the hard dedicated skye player while also trying to be the main smoker.
And as for Rossy my god this kid has it hard because of the broken TSM system, First of he comes from immortals as an IGL and Sentinel player, now throw him into TSM and his suddenly playing hard smokes and flexing to conventional sentinels for the 2 instances where wardell isn't on chamber and Subroza isn't on skye. Now I know what your saying, ok but that doesn't make up the decision making being awful. Well of course the decision making is going to be broken. Rossy comes from Immortals who were very blatantly a farm team and ran a very normal system, the same normal system pretty much every other team uses, then you have the TSM system which doesn't play like anything else and as such has drastically different win cons, approaches a site in completely different ways. Of course Rossy (or any other IGL for the people shouting Zander at the screen right now) is going to struggle to make the TSM system work.
TSM at their best is one dimensional and inconstant at their worst is a dumpster fire of beautifully machined bolt on's attached to an engine with a hole through the side of the block.....
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