Obvious missed meta read?

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KiwiJuice

Yoru
Neon
Waylay
Omen/Astra
Sova/Fade

Seriously what else do you need? Sentinels are dead, Yoru is still the best flasher in the game + can cosplay Chamber OP if needed. Viper is nice on some maps like breeze, split, corrode, Haven but teams are already showing you don't need her on Corrode and Haven. so like what's the real reason a team hasn't run this? @Lohan @nAts get on this shit

The argument no passive info is a non argument.
Bind: already no passive info
Corrode: no passive info (when viper comp, which is most common)
Split: already no passive info
Abyss: double controller comps already don't have passive info
Breeze: already no passive info
Haven and Pearl are the only exceptions

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no info anywhere you need to perma push on defense this is just dumb

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If u win the fights its all good though I think I'd put in a kj for neon /waylay

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aiber

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if i run reyna and win all my fights ahh. arguement
bad comp.

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KiwiJuice

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teams are already playing without passive info on Split, Corrode and Breeze aka when Viper is pseudo sentinel

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aiber

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1 map doesnt set the standard for the 10 other maps

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KiwiJuice

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it's not 1 to 10 it's 4 to 7 with Bind as well. huge difference. Like you can't run this on Lotus or Haven I agree, but most maps in the pool rn? sure, even abyss I reckon

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on the maps you named its easier to get info because as you said most teams play viper so she jiggles -> stalls -> team has enough time to rotate in
i think its key that you have a vioer over a 3rd duelist
the extra duelist wont be able to stall long enough

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The only maps where passive info is meta are Haven and Pearl

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aiber

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need dat viper or we not getting nowhere

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JonahPork

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Just reading from your comment above, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why Viper is even played

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aiber

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wait what why is she played

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JonahPork

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Obviously speaking, she is a really strong anchor which you have pointed out, but the 2 biggest reasons she’s played is because she has info denial and has low cost utility for defaulting.

Take Bind for example. Every team uses the same wall and orb on attack almost every round. They orb front u-hall and wall A short. By using this combo, they can threaten a lurk several times a round using only rechargeable utility which expends a lot of utility from the enemy team. If you don’t clear that potential lurk timing with either bodies or utility, you will eventually just lose.

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aiber

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ah yes i see i was mainly pointing out defense ig
her wall always puts ?s on the map
thanks

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JonahPork

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This comp sounds crazy cuz no passive info but it genuinely isn’t ngl

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KiwiJuice

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what passive info is there in the current meta?

#12

JonahPork

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nah I’m agreeing with you, I’m saying passive info is only meta on Pearl and haven, it’s really not that necessary

The only issue with your comp is the lack of info denial that Viper brings

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KiwiJuice

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that's true but the way NS just played Haven didn't really call for info denial. What I'm proposing isn't so crazy if you start seeing yoru as a initiator/duelist flex.

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one

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A tmv copy
I can see it working

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KiwiJuice

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fuck me