even if you hate them, you have to admit it
even if they don't manage to win in this champions,
if they still make it to the semifinals, they are still "successful"
EDIT: Because Sentinels can't make it to semifinals
2021 is not Sentinels Era
Bye-bye NA
Bye-bye BR
number1_ScreaM_fan [#2]Doesn't matter if they don't win champions
i don't think so
even if liquid win champions:
liquid achievement is just "win champions"
but Gambit > liquid ezz
ItsMeDio [#6]i don't think so
even if liquid win champions:
liquid achievement is just "win champions"but Gambit > liquid ezz
Gambit achievement is just ‘win less important tournament than liquid’
ItsMeDio [#6]i don't think so
even if liquid win champions:
liquid achievement is just "win champions"but Gambit > liquid ezz
Yeah so unless sentinels win champions they can't call themselves the most successful since they only had success in masters 2 and 1 which was basically the equivalent of a challengers playoff
Sprouts [#7]but what were the most unsuccessful teams of 2021?
SQ?
FPX?
T1?
GLB?
TSM?
Soniqs from the way they were hyped up
thanatos11 [#9]Gambit achievement is just ‘win less important tournament than liquid’
well win master 1 cis
win challenger playoff
win master 3 cis
and win champions (hopefully)
number1_ScreaM_fan [#10]Yeah so unless sentinels win champions they can't call themselves the most successful since they only had success in masters 2 and 1 which was basically the equivalent of a challengers playoff
no
this is challenger playoff:
https://www.vlr.gg/event/558/champions-tour-north-america-last-chance-qualifier
https://www.vlr.gg/event/578/champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs
ItsMeDio [#14]well win master 1 cis
win challenger playoff
win master 3 cis
and win champions (hopefully)
Masters 1 cis doesn't mean shit
Challengers 2 was won by liquid
Only achievement is masters 3
They did lose a map in Masters 1, also Masters 1 was regional so idk if you can claim that to be a great achievement. Yes they did win Iceland very dominantly. However that doesn't mean NA > EU? Currently EMEA > NA because of GMB winning Masters 3, that's how it works, the region who won the previous major tournmanet is known as the better region.
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
Aperture [#19]They did lose a map in Masters 1, also Masters 1 was regional so idk if you can claim that to be a great achievement. Yes they did win Iceland very dominantly. However that doesn't mean NA > EU? Currently EMEA > NA because of GMB winning Masters 3, that's how it works, the region who won the previous major tournmanet is known as the better region.
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
no
i think currently
EMEA = NA
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ItsMeDio [#15]no
this is challenger playoff:
https://www.vlr.gg/event/558/champions-tour-north-america-last-chance-qualifier
https://www.vlr.gg/event/578/champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs
My point is masters 1 is basically a challengers playoff since it's teams from 1 region so not as much competition
ciro [#20]Unless ur saying that all the other trophies they won is worth more than 1 major, SEN cant be the most successful if they dont win champs, successful for sure but not most
so which team is the most successful one?
number1_ScreaM_fan [#23]My point is masters 1 is basically a challengers playoff since it's teams from 1 region so not as much competition
yeah
i agree
ItsMeDio [#24]so which team is the most successful one?
Whoever wins valulrante's first major will become the most successful one
ItsMeDio [#21]no
i think currently
EMEA = NA
currently, deffo not, in the current tournament, NA hasn't beaten EMEA a single time in a series. So idk where you are pulling that out from?
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
ciro [#26]Whoever wins valulrante's first major will become the most successful one
no
imagine if fnatic win champions
basically, this team ONLY won 1 tier A tournament
on the other hand, liquid (4), sentinels (9), gambit (3)
that's not the most successful one
Aperture [#27]currently, deffo not, in the current tournament, NA hasn't beaten EMEA a single time in a series. So idk where you are pulling that out from?
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
last thread i saw 6=6 win for EMEA and NA?
Whoever wins this Champions, will be considered the most successful team of the 'first competitive year of Valorant.
They will be crowned as the first ever World Champion and will be remembered even 10 years from now, whilst nobody will remember who won Master 2 or 3 during the first year from now. The whole year comes down to this event, that's how simple it is.
Peekaboo [#30]Whoever wins this Champions, will be considered the most successful team of the 'first competitive year of Valorant.
They will be crowned as the first ever World Champion and will be remembered even 10 years from now, whilst nobody will remember who won Master 2 or 3 during the first year from now. The whole year comes down to this event, that's how simple it is.
imagine if vivo keyd or vikings win champs kekw
ItsMeDio [#29]last thread i saw 6=6 win for EMEA and NA?
you said currently, those stats account for previous tournaments, your logic is flawed.
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
valulrantefanboy [#33]They still most popular team , earning most pp. So safe to say they still most successful. But atm, they are not top 1 or even 2 anm
it's not about earning tho
it's about achievement and accomplishment
ItsMeDio [#6]i don't think so
even if liquid win champions:
liquid achievement is just "win champions"but Gambit > liquid ezz
Are you trolling?
ItsMeDio [#35]it's not about earning tho
it's about achievement and accomplishment
They won 1 Master, won NA events, still most by far
Aperture [#34]you said currently, those stats account for previous tournaments, your logic is flawed.
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
oh, i thought u guys couted the whole win or lose
my bad
ItsMeDio [#38]oh, i thought u guys couted the whole win or lose
my bad
You're the one who said currently EMEA = NA. All good
Regards
Aperture
Son of Oil, Father of QueueK and Causer of Arguments
I think they can't win champs because their strats are pretty much the same and teams have adapted and learned to counter them. I feel like they get outbrained most of the times, shows that without a coach how a top team can struggle in the new meta. The only new thing I am seeing them do is the sock dart viper molly combo. Otherwise they have been dominant in N. I might be wrong pls correct me but that's my opinion.
PleaseDont [#42]I think they can't win champs because their strats are pretty much the same and teams have adapted and learned to counter them. I feel like they get outbrained most of the times, shows that without a coach how a top team can struggle in the new meta. The only new thing I am seeing them do is the sock dart viper molly combo. Otherwise they have been dominant in N. I might be wrong pls correct me but that's my opinion.
yeah,
i think the winner of this tournament:
Liquid, Fnatic, or Gambit (hopium)
ItsMeDio [#6]i don't think so
even if liquid win champions:
liquid achievement is just "win champions"but Gambit > liquid ezz
that's like the major dude
You are underestimating champions importance
SidEx07 [#45]that's like the major dude
You are underestimating champions importance
winning champions doesn't automatically the most sucessful team in the world
imagine if vivo keyd or vikings winning champions
are u now say they are the most successful team in the world?
ItsMeDio [#44]yeah,
i think the winner of this tournament:
Liquid, Fnatic, or Gambit (hopium)
derke supremacy
ItsMeDio [#46]winning champions doesn't automatically the most sucessful team in the world
imagine if vivo keyd or vikings winning champions
are u now say they are the most successful team in the world?
They did beat all the other contender for best teams in the world. Just cause there's hate towards Brazilians asf rn doesn't mean that they aren't performing insanely well in this tournament. Shouldn't be too hard for people to accept if they win Champions (Will not happen though)
UrNightmare [#13]They were never on par with NA tbh.
Nah but not that OCE will most likely get a masters slot eventually it was a big fail
Riizwan19xx [#53]If gambit wins champions they are the team of the year undoubtedly. But if they dont SENTINELS are the team of the year by far. If you disagree with this you are just braindead.
SEN haters will disagree and this whole site hate them
Riizwan19xx [#53]If gambit wins champions they are the team of the year undoubtedly. But if they dont SENTINELS are the team of the year by far. If you disagree with this you are just braindead.
I disagree you cant measure things lime that..Sentinels plays in NA where the competition sucks and the EMEA teams have a very good competition but sadly not everyone can qualify
feaN [#55]I disagree you cant measure things lime that..Sentinels plays in NA where the competition sucks and the EMEA teams have a very good competition but sadly not everyone can qualify
competition " sucks" LOL what a clown ,
" EMEA teams have a very good competition '
Ye 4 regions combined btw
feaN [#55]I disagree you cant measure things lime that..Sentinels plays in NA where the competition sucks and the EMEA teams have a very good competition but sadly not everyone can qualify
Competition sucks ??
Bro NA has the same competition as EMEA,
All rivalries aside NA AND EMEA is balanced asf.
You cant say Eu > Na and vice versa.
The fact that SEN managed to win all the challengers, master 1 and 2 is impressive and no one has achieved the same. On top of that they managed to qualify to every single major events too. If these and all make them best team itw idk what will.
ShadowisBAD [#54]SEN haters will disagree and this whole site hate them
Ik, but that doesnt change the fact SENTINELS is the most succesful team itw.
Riizwan19xx [#58]Ik, but that doesnt change the fact SENTINELS is the most succesful team itw.
agreed
SEN DOMINATED na and won EVERY EVENT this year excpet berlin
ShadowisBAD [#59]agreed
SEN DOMINATED na and won EVERY EVENT this year excpet berlin
The fact that they are saying sen overrated just because they didnt win an event itself says the levels of them.
Riizwan19xx [#60]The fact that they are saying sen overrated just because they didnt win an event itself says the levels of them.
dude theyre shit talking when they BARELY lost vs Liquid , and some ppl can make an argument that sen looked better than liquid too , idk they have hate boners
ShadowisBAD [#61]dude theyre shit talking when they BARELY lost vs Liquid , and some ppl can make an argument that sen looked better than liquid too , idk they have hate boners
well, it's understandable if many people hate sentinels
patuj [#64]Nice logic. How can you say "in 2021 NA > EU" when both regions have won just as much so far?
well, i was wrong kekw
they are so bad omg
lose to kru esport
aotdstix [#67]you couldnt have worded your take worse than this. L
i jinxed them
i thought they can at least make it to semifinal
but they are so bad lol
lose to kru
ItsMeDio [#28]no
imagine if fnatic win champions
basically, this team ONLY won 1 tier A tournament
on the other hand, liquid (4), sentinels (9), gambit (3)that's not the most successful one
its not how you start it but how you end it. champions is the most prestigious of all vct tournaments whoever wins gets to be the best team in the world. all other vcts are minor compared to champions.
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